On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:49:49 -0500, you wrote:
With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if
anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance
on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a
version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet
connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to
gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems
wrong in principle...
Well, I've seen no answer on this topic from other members, so I'll try
myself. In truth I've no TOPS-20 DECnet experience, but I've it on TOPS-10.
BTW, I seem to remember that years ago there was a TOPS-20 host on HECnet.
I do know that TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 are quite dissimilar, but I've to say
that setting up DECnet on TOPS-10 was not so difficult, so I think that on
TOPS-20 it will be even easier, given the overall OS look and feel. After a
brief Google search, if I'm not wrong, it appears that you need at least
TOPS-20 V6.1 to partecipate in an Ethernet DECnet network.
On TOPS-10 I had just to load the DECnet tape contents into the relevant
directories (i.e. help files in HLP: executables in SYS: and so on) and to
rebuild the monitor to include Ethernet network support by following an
on-screen procedure not so different from an old Linux make config.
For help, I consider alt.sys.pdp10, Bitsavers archive and Trailing-Edge
repository to be the most valuable sources (along with many other tiny sites
you may discover by just using the right search terms with Google).
Are you experiencing some particular problem?
Bye, :)
G.
The latter option makes it a bit difficult to read, even now and you've only
9 nodes on your map!
Still learning.
There's new version, HECnet_20120111.png ready.
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Regards, Rok
Rok,
I just copied HECNET.PNG. It holds a lot of detail, more detail than I
intended to put in the map.
One question: area 44 has only my systems in it and they are all on the same
network, a switched ethernet. So a drawing either ought to sho a single line
with all nodes connected to it or point-to-point connections for all nodes.
The latter option makes it a bit difficult to read, even now and you've only
9 nodes on your map!
Hans
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Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Rok
Vidmar
Verzonden: dinsdag, januari 2012 0:01
Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Hecnet map update
Copied to
http://vaxsys.mikromuseo.org/example/HECNETUTCMAP1.GIF
Check MUSIPC::HECnet.png. BE is Bridged Ethernet, read are
area routers, green are endnodes, black lines are Multinet tunnels.
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Regards, Rok
There's a new, corrected picture on OZON: HECNETUTCMAP3.GIF
It has all the changes mailed today.
Hans
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Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Bob
Armstrong
Verzonden: dinsdag, januari 2012 21:33
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: RE: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
It's astounding
time is fleeting.
Madness takes its toll.
Bob
It's astounding
time is fleeting.
Madness takes its toll.
Bob
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of hvlems at zonnet.nl
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:23 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Yeah, that sums it up nicely :)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 21:17
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about "what time
it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
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Yeah, that sums it up nicely :)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 21:17
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about
"what time it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
--
Aloha, IW(TM): Celestial Angela; SL(TM): Celeste Python; Angela Kahealani
"(I'll) Be Seeing You..." All information and transactions are private between
the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice by
Angela Kahealani http://www.kahealani.com/kahealani/angela_kahealani.html
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:54:52AM -0500, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never
freakin' remember. :-D
It's long past time for humans to stop lying to themselves about
"what time it is" and everyone convert to UTC...
it is, after all, "Universal" :-)
--
Aloha, IW(TM): Celestial Angela; SL(TM): Celeste Python; Angela Kahealani
"(I'll) Be Seeing You..." All information and transactions are private between
the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice by
Angela Kahealani http://www.kahealani.com/kahealani/angela_kahealani.html
Hmm, we aren't in daylight savings now? Or is that DST? I can never freakin' remember. :-D
-brian
On 1/10/2012 9:53 AM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Area 19 is in UTC-5
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of H Vlems
Sent: Mon 1/9/2012 15:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Steve,
what timezone are you(r systems) in?
Hans
Area 19 is in UTC-5
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of H Vlems
Sent: Mon 1/9/2012 15:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] info Steve Davidson
Steve,
what timezone are you(r systems) in?
Hans
Just remember that there are about 600 timezones. While there are only about 30 different offset values at any one time, the rules by which they change during the year vary randomly all over the map. Timezones are much much messier than a lot of people realize.
paul
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Peter Coghlan
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:59 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: SV: [HECnet] Hecnet map update
I like the idea of expanding the info.txt .. time zone column
Fine by me. How is time zone expressed? Simply giving a numeric offset
from GMT is problematic for places that observe daylight savings time -
we'd have to update the file twice every year. Can we use something like PST8PDT??
If we want to specify a time zone, the only reasonable way to do it is numerically, specifying both hours and minutes as not all timezones are on hour boundaries. Strings such as PST and PDT are not defined for all timezones, are not unique and many are not well understood at a distance. I am told that EST means two different things in Australia and another in the US for example.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
