Mark,
The cmd environment is useful, like turning off a pc, say, to make your daughter go to bed. ..
When the unix tools kit is installed a lot more functionality is available. May be I'm too fond of ascii user interfaces...
Hans
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From: Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:31:05
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On 16 Jan 2012, at 12:05, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't think that a CTERM listener exists for Pathworks32.
I don't think it has one, at least not in 7.4 that I have but I am waiting on getting XP Pro so I can test the server side of PATHWORKS 32 as XP Home doesn't have the user admin tools I need to make it work.
Frankly commandline access to Windows NT wouldn't be that useful anyway ;)
In general remote login on Windows machines are not that common. Not sure I've ever seen a telnet server either (but I'm sure that DO exist).
Windows 2000 has a TELNET server IIRC. Naturally, I turned it off ;)
Windows machines are meant to be used locally, using the graphical interface. Not remotely using a plain terminal.
Yes, Windows is generally a graphical environment and command terminal access is only usually used for running UNIX-like stuff largely or running batch automation/unattended install scripts and the like.
Remote access *is* quite common in Windows environments but it is mostly via Remote Desktop/Terminal Services or something like Citrix handing out remote graphical desktops. Remote command terminal access is very rare.
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On 16 Jan 2012, at 12:05, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't think that a CTERM listener exists for Pathworks32.
I don't think it has one, at least not in 7.4 that I have but I am waiting on getting XP Pro so I can test the server side of PATHWORKS 32 as XP Home doesn't have the user admin tools I need to make it work.
Frankly commandline access to Windows NT wouldn't be that useful anyway ;)
In general remote login on Windows machines are not that common. Not sure I've ever seen a telnet server either (but I'm sure that DO exist).
Windows 2000 has a TELNET server IIRC. Naturally, I turned it off ;)
Windows machines are meant to be used locally, using the graphical interface. Not remotely using a plain terminal.
Yes, Windows is generally a graphical environment and command terminal access is only usually used for running UNIX-like stuff largely or running batch automation/unattended install scripts and the like.
Remote access *is* quite common in Windows environments but it is mostly via Remote Desktop/Terminal Services or something like Citrix handing out remote graphical desktops. Remote command terminal access is very rare.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Not every Windows kit contains a telnet server. XP professional does have one. It uses NTLM authentication by default. Access via say VMS requires that you switch it off. Once done it is rather useful. The commandline interface is accessible while you're far away from the Windows system. Which is not a bad thing per se ;-)
Hans
On 2012-01-16 06.16, Pinocchio wrote:
On 2012-01-15 22.15, Pinocchio wrote:
Hi guys!
Do Pathworks32 includes server part of CTerm protocol?
I mean I can setup Pathworks32 to be a file server for sharing files to
other DECnet clients.
Is such capability exists for CTerm protocol? Documentation do not
mention such function,
but I see one interesting message "TNET0005N: Pwtelnt loaded
successfully" in Pathworks32 event log.
So I am wonder, is it sign of server part of CTerm protocol presence?
You are confused. :-)
CTERM is an interactive terminal protocol. It is not used to transfer
files.
What you need is a FAL listener. And yes, I think that Pathworks 32 do
include that.
Johnny
Sorry for confusing manner of asking questions! :-)
My question is exactly about CTERM terminal protocol.
Is server part of CTERM present in pathworks32?
Ah. Now, that was a different question. :-)
(The first one was like "how do I setup telnet to share files".)
I don't think that a CTERM listener exists for Pathworks32. In general remote login on Windows machines are not that common. Not sure I've ever seen a telnet server either (but I'm sure that DO exist).
Windows machines are meant to be used locally, using the graphical interface. Not remotely using a plain terminal.
Johnny
On 2012-01-15 22.15, Pinocchio wrote:
Hi guys!
Do Pathworks32 includes server part of CTerm protocol?
I mean I can setup Pathworks32 to be a file server for sharing files to
other DECnet clients.
Is such capability exists for CTerm protocol? Documentation do not
mention such function,
but I see one interesting message TNET0005N: Pwtelnt loaded
successfully in Pathworks32 event log.
So I am wonder, is it sign of server part of CTerm protocol presence?
You are confused. :-)
CTERM is an interactive terminal protocol. It is not used to transfer files.
What you need is a FAL listener. And yes, I think that Pathworks 32 do include that.
Johnny
The server part is built in the remote host's DECnet kit. If I read your question correctly that is.
Hans
From: "Pinocchio" <pinoccio at gmx.com>
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:15:52 +0200
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Subject: [HECnet] Is Pathworks32 server CTerm part exists?
Hi guys!
Do Pathworks32 includes server part of CTerm protocol?
I mean I can setup Pathworks32 to be a file server for sharing files to other DECnet clients.
Is such capability exists for CTerm protocol? Documentation do not mention such function,
but I see one interesting message TNET0005N: Pwtelnt loaded successfully in Pathworks32 event log.
So I am wonder, is it sign of server part of CTerm protocol presence?
Hi guys!
Do Pathworks32 includes server part of CTerm protocol?
I mean I can setup Pathworks32 to be a file server for sharing files to other DECnet clients.
Is such capability exists for CTerm protocol? Documentation do not mention such function,
but I see one interesting message TNET0005N: Pwtelnt loaded successfully in Pathworks32 event log.
So I am wonder, is it sign of server part of CTerm protocol presence?
Hmmm... from section 1.8 in the Decnet-20 system managers guide...
SYSTEM OVERVIEW
Each of the following commands is complete.
Command keyword only:
NCP>EXIT
To get to an NCP prompt, you can do this:
@ENABLE
$OPR
OPR>ENTER NCP
NCP>SHOW EXEC
...
--Marc
Hmmm... from section 1.8 in the Decnet-20 system managers guide...
SYSTEM OVERVIEW
Each of the following commands is complete.
Command keyword only:
NCP>EXIT
NCP)HELP
Command keyword and entity:
NCP)SHOW EXECUTOR (SUMMARY is implied)
Command keyword, entity, and parameter:
NCP)SET EXECUTOR NODE nodeid
NCP)ZERO CIRCUIT cktid COUNTERS
A complete list of NCP command keywords follows. The order is
alphabetic for ease of reference. Because the action requested by a
command keyword is related to both the entity and parameter that
follow the command keyword, the functions are defined in non-specific
terms. Refer to the section indicated for a more specific description
of function.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
What I do know is that you don't have a NCP.EXE under TOPS-20. NCP is a submode in OPR.
Johnny
On 2012-01-12 00.32, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org <http://bitsavers.org>, but I
agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes
I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used
is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com
<mailto:gerry77 at mail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the
manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that
digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost
complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
What I do know is that you don't have a NCP.EXE under TOPS-20. NCP is a submode in OPR.
Johnny
On 2012-01-12 00.32, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org <http://bitsavers.org>, but I
agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes
I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used
is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com
<mailto:gerry77 at mail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the
manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that
digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost
complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
