Thanks for the responses...
There is no decnet connectivity to the TOPS 20 host...
The TOPS-20 host is presently available via IP - 74.143.35.91:1023. In any case, my knowledge of TOPS-20 is slowly growing ex nihilo ... I loaded the tapes from bitsaver.org and believe that I am running the correct monitor... (unfortunately, the docs that I've found don't always correspond to the version of software I've chosen to run).
I'm sure there may be a newer DECnet tape out there; however, the latest I could find (at the time) was v4, I believe... in any case, one of my biggest issues is hardware knowledge -- running `netgen` does not seemingly inquire about the [equivalent] NIC...
$netgen
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
[Type START to begin configuration dialog]
NETGEN>start
Node name: tx0
Node address: 20.3
?Not confirmed: ""
Node address: 2
Transmit password: <blah>
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 0
?Value is out of range: "0"
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 1
The total number of DMC11s and DMR11s must not exceed 6
How many DMC11 lines are on this DN20: 1
DMC-0 Cost: 1
How many DMR11 lines are on this DN20:
How many KDPs are on this DN20:
[Configuration Saved On: PS:<DECNET>TX0.CNF.1]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NMLACC.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>CETAB.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NETPAR.MAC.1] [OK]
[Configuration complete]
Type SAVE and FINISH after any additional changes
Type EXIT to terminate NETGEN
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Joe,
Could you explain how the TOPS-20 system is connected to your network?
Your mail indicates the ability to do a SET HOST from WOPR to TOPS20, is that right?
If so then there is DECnet connectivity between WOPR and TOPS20.
or am I missing something?
Hans
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Van: Joe Ferraro
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] TOPS-20 DECnet
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 03:49
I'll echo the sentiment of not wanting to sound like an AOL user.... With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems wrong in principle... Joe
On 1/11/2012 8:45 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
This is a cisco router I guess?
Any idea how I enable it?
!
decnet routing 59.11
decnet node-type routing-iv
!
!
interface Tunnel3000
no ip address
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
tunnel source 192.108.200.213
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248
no ip directed-broadcast
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
decnet router-priority 125
bart#show decnet
Global DECnet parameters for network 0:
Local address is 52.1, node type is area
Level-2 'Attached' flag is TRUE
Maximum node is 1023, maximum area is 63, maximum visits is 63
Maximum paths is 1, path split mode is normal
Local maximum cost is 1022, maximum hops is 30
Area maximum cost is 1022, maximum hops is 30
Static routes *NOT* being sent in routing updates
Cluster-alias routes *NOT* being sent in routing updates
bart#
So, who wants to do a tunnel to me with cisco?
Also, what ports/etc does this use, do you know? Is this a GRE tunnel?
-brian
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
This is a cisco router I guess?
Any idea how I enable it?
!
decnet routing 59.11
decnet node-type routing-iv
!
!
interface Tunnel3000
no ip address
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
tunnel source 192.108.200.213
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248
no ip directed-broadcast
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
decnet router-priority 125
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
Any idea how I enable it?
-brian
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
Joe,
Could you explain how the TOPS-20 system is connected to your network?
Your mail indicates the ability to do a SET HOST from WOPR to TOPS20, is that right?
If so then there is DECnet connectivity between WOPR and TOPS20.
or am I missing something?
Hans
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Joe Ferraro
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] TOPS-20 DECnet
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 03:49
I'll echo the sentiment of not wanting to sound like an AOL user.... With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems wrong in principle... Joe
On 2012-01-11 10.48, gerry77 at mail.com wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:49:49 -0500, you wrote:
With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if
anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance
on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a
version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet
connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to
gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems
wrong in principle...
Well, I've seen no answer on this topic from other members, so I'll try
myself. In truth I've no TOPS-20 DECnet experience, but I've it on TOPS-10.
BTW, I seem to remember that years ago there was a TOPS-20 host on HECnet.
.ncp tell sol sho exec
Node summary as of 11-JAN-12 12:00:09
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0
State = On, Active links = 0
.
Unfortunately I don't have many suggestions on how you do it. You do need to use ethernet, so my bridge would be a potential solution, but you might also have a VMS box on the same ethernet segment, and let that one do your routing for you.
Unless I remember wrong, there is one or two files in the system which have all the configuration parameters needed. I could probably dig some stuff up, but I know there are way more competent people in this area around, so I'll try to refrain from giving half-baked advice...
Johnny
On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:49:49 -0500, you wrote:
With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if
anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance
on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a
version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet
connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to
gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems
wrong in principle...
Well, I've seen no answer on this topic from other members, so I'll try
myself. In truth I've no TOPS-20 DECnet experience, but I've it on TOPS-10.
BTW, I seem to remember that years ago there was a TOPS-20 host on HECnet.
I do know that TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 are quite dissimilar, but I've to say
that setting up DECnet on TOPS-10 was not so difficult, so I think that on
TOPS-20 it will be even easier, given the overall OS look and feel. After a
brief Google search, if I'm not wrong, it appears that you need at least
TOPS-20 V6.1 to partecipate in an Ethernet DECnet network.
On TOPS-10 I had just to load the DECnet tape contents into the relevant
directories (i.e. help files in HLP: executables in SYS: and so on) and to
rebuild the monitor to include Ethernet network support by following an
on-screen procedure not so different from an old Linux make config.
For help, I consider alt.sys.pdp10, Bitsavers archive and Trailing-Edge
repository to be the most valuable sources (along with many other tiny sites
you may discover by just using the right search terms with Google).
Are you experiencing some particular problem?
Bye, :)
G.
The latter option makes it a bit difficult to read, even now and you've only
9 nodes on your map!
Still learning.
There's new version, HECnet_20120111.png ready.
--
Regards, Rok
Rok,
I just copied HECNET.PNG. It holds a lot of detail, more detail than I
intended to put in the map.
One question: area 44 has only my systems in it and they are all on the same
network, a switched ethernet. So a drawing either ought to sho a single line
with all nodes connected to it or point-to-point connections for all nodes.
The latter option makes it a bit difficult to read, even now and you've only
9 nodes on your map!
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Rok
Vidmar
Verzonden: dinsdag, januari 2012 0:01
Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Hecnet map update
Copied to
http://vaxsys.mikromuseo.org/example/HECNETUTCMAP1.GIF
Check MUSIPC::HECnet.png. BE is Bridged Ethernet, read are
area routers, green are endnodes, black lines are Multinet tunnels.
--
Regards, Rok
