Hmmm... from section 1.8 in the Decnet-20 system managers guide...
SYSTEM OVERVIEW
Each of the following commands is complete.
Command keyword only:
NCP>EXIT
NCP)HELP
Command keyword and entity:
NCP)SHOW EXECUTOR (SUMMARY is implied)
Command keyword, entity, and parameter:
NCP)SET EXECUTOR NODE nodeid
NCP)ZERO CIRCUIT cktid COUNTERS
A complete list of NCP command keywords follows. The order is
alphabetic for ease of reference. Because the action requested by a
command keyword is related to both the entity and parameter that
follow the command keyword, the functions are defined in non-specific
terms. Refer to the section indicated for a more specific description
of function.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
What I do know is that you don't have a NCP.EXE under TOPS-20. NCP is a submode in OPR.
Johnny
On 2012-01-12 00.32, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org <http://bitsavers.org>, but I
agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes
I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used
is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com
<mailto:gerry77 at mail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the
manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that
digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost
complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
What I do know is that you don't have a NCP.EXE under TOPS-20. NCP is a submode in OPR.
Johnny
On 2012-01-12 00.32, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org <http://bitsavers.org>, but I
agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes
I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used
is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com
<mailto:gerry77 at mail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the
manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that
digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost
complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
The above tape contains a DECNET.DOC file that states the following:
| 1.8 DECnet-20 Operation
|
| DECnet-20 consists of the monitor and front-end components, and
| user-mode utilities. DECnet-20 resides within the TOPS-20 monitor.
| The DN20 is not required for DECnet communications over the NIA20 and
| the CI20.
So maybe you just need to find the right monitor and user-mode utilities. :)
HTH,
G.
These are indeed the tapes I've used, and I am indeed running the correct monitor...
$VDIR *DCN*
PS:<SYSTEM>
AN-MONDCN.EXE.1;P777700 647 331264(36) 1-Jun-88 21:21:17 BROOKS
$VDIR MONITR*
PS:<SYSTEM>
MONITR.EXE.1;P777752 647 331264(36) 1-Jun-88 21:21:17 OPERATOR
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:53:38 +0100, you wrote:
| 1.8 DECnet-20 Operation
|
| DECnet-20 consists of the monitor and front-end components, and
| user-mode utilities. DECnet-20 resides within the TOPS-20 monitor.
| The DN20 is not required for DECnet communications over the NIA20 and
| the CI20.
So maybe you just need to find the right monitor and user-mode utilities. :)
I forgot to say that the Ethernet is the NIA20 thing. Moreover, thanks to
Marc Chametzky, we now do know that the configuration is not built into the
monitor like in TOPS-10 but it's read from a configuration file which
apparently contains everything you'd need to run DECnet-20... :)
Apologies for this self-answer.
HTH again,
G.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:32:01 -0500, you wrote:
The TOPS-20 host is presently available via IP - 74.143.35.91:1023. In any
case, my knowledge of TOPS-20 is slowly growing *ex nihilo* ... I loaded
the tapes from bitsaver.org and believe that I am running the correct
monitor... (unfortunately, the docs that I've found don't always correspond
to the version of software I've chosen to run).
I'm sure there may be a newer DECnet tape out there; however, the latest I
could find (at the time) was v4, I believe... in any case, one of my
biggest issues is hardware knowledge -- running `netgen` does not seemingly
inquire about the [equivalent] NIC...
As pointed out in other messages, NETGEN is not the right tool for this
task. IIRC DECnet-10 and -20 share a common code base with a good deal of
conditionals, but anyway the idea is the same. On TOPS-10 once the right
monitor is running the job is almost done because things like node name and
address are built into the monitor executable (maybe TOPS-20 is a little
more flexible on this side) so there is no need to do anything more.
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/BB-PBQUA-BM_1990/01/7-documentation/install…
At the above link (hope it does not get truncated) there is something that
could be useful: in appendix C there is a reference to the AN-MONDCN.EXE
that maybe is the monitor you are looking for. Check the following tape:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops20_v7_0_tcpip_distribution_tape/index.h…
This other tape contains what appears to be the DECnet-20 distribution:
http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/BB-H240E-BM_1985/index.html
The above tape contains a DECNET.DOC file that states the following:
| 1.8 DECnet-20 Operation
|
| DECnet-20 consists of the monitor and front-end components, and
| user-mode utilities. DECnet-20 resides within the TOPS-20 monitor.
| The DN20 is not required for DECnet communications over the NIA20 and
| the CI20.
So maybe you just need to find the right monitor and user-mode utilities. :)
HTH,
G.
If it's of any interest to anyone, I can confirm that the Panda distribution is capable of working on DECnet. I just got CALHAN back up and running, although I had to tweak more things than I had expected in order to get it working. I can't even guarantee if I shut it down that it'll come back up. :-)
For reference, in my klt20.ini, I have:
devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=true ifc=e1000g1 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:2e:4d
I also set the interface hardware address using "ifconfig e1000g1 ether aa:00:04:00:2e:4d" so that it'd match.
And in my TOPS-20 SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD file, I have these settings:
NODE CALHAN 19.302
ETHERNET 0 DECNET
DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE
DECNET MAXIMUM-ADDRESS 1023
!DECNET BUFFER-SIZE 1467
!DECNET DEFAULT-FLOW-CONTROL NONE
Anyway, it seems to be working. I even did a quick shutdown/restart and it came back online. :-)
--Marc
Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org, but I agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:03:50 +0100, you wrote:
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
That seems to be ANF-10 (Advanced Network Functions)
protocol configuration utility.
ANF-10 was a TOPS-10 thing only so this should not be the case. Instead I
think that Johnny is correct when he writes that the thing Joe pasted seems
only related to DECnet over DTEs like synchronous links, not Ethernet.
I had very little experience with TOPS-20 and from
what I see it was quite different on TOPS-10. But I
would certainly look for DECnet-20 and I would not
expect more than phase III.
I'm sure that DECnet-20 V4 did Phase IV too. :)
G.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
On 2012-01-12 00:03, Rok Vidmar wrote:
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
That seems to be ANF-10 (Advanced Network Functions)
protocol configuration utility.
ANF-10 has nothing to do with DECnet, but later on
you could upload DN20 with DECnet IV image to have
DECnet connectivity over synchronous lines.
I had very little experience with TOPS-20 and from
what I see it was quite different on TOPS-10. But I
would certainly look for DECnet-20 and I would not
expect more than phase III.
DECnet-20 is phase IV. Don't anyone read when I paste in stuff from NCP here?
Here is some more explicit output then:
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 12-JAN-12 00:16:09
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
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