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On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping
that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic
and heavy. :-)
Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :)
Oh for God's sake we can agree on a one line CSV format LOL.
I'll write the scraper / parser, anything that doesn't parse doesn't go in the HTML.
As per my suggestion, the following fields should be included:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
Example:
.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES
CHIMPY|AlphaServer DS10|VMS accounts, launch pad to other systems|No|Yes|telnet://chimpy.sampsa.com
.END-PUBLIC-SERVICES
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping
that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic
and heavy. :-)
Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :)
Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the
idea for now.
I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :)
There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around.
Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something
superimposed on a real map.
I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines
waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's
written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only
DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found
a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some
limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS).
I will get back to it. I promise. :)
-brian
On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:01, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-24 19:50, Dennis Boone wrote:
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-)
It won't be that bad - 1 line of CSV between two tags at the bottom of INFO.TXT. Anything that parses right goes into the HTML, HTML gets uploaded to wherever.
Update once a month.
E.g.
.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES
CHIMPY|AlphaServer DS10|VMS accounts, launch pad to other systems|No|Yes|telnet://chimpy.sampsa.com
.END-PUBLIC-SERVICES
Ok, 5 lines. :)
first you need to enable DECnet routing:
decnet routing X.Y (where X.Y is the DECnet address you want to give it)
decnet node-type area
Then you need to add this to the interface that talks to your DECnet LAN
segment:
decnet cost 10
Then you need to allow my config tool to talk to your router:
access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141
snmp-server community <community name> RW 10
Then you just need to get me all that info I asked for and we should be
good.
The machine running the config tool is down right now so I'm in no
hurry. :)
-brian
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote:
I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can
do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want
to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy
using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working
let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though,
does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be
automatic?
Thanks
Rob
On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to
update your IP.
-brian
On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does
it
use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I
get
the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is
not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode
router.
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf
Of Steve Davidson
Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct
If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name,
then I
can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated.
If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be
even faster.
-Steve
_____
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens
Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct
On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote:
I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October,
hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing
attendees to explore HECnet.
I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP
until
the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be
available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to
peer
with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course
of
the weekend though.
Are there any other options?
Thanks
Rob
Rob,
Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this
in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did
last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it
does
shake my memory a bit!
Mark.
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On 2013-09-24 19:50, Dennis Boone wrote:
> OK, simple HTML table with:
> - System name
> - Type
> - Services offered
> - Guest account?
> - Registrable accounts?
> - Telnet link
> We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-)
Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now.
There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map.
Johnny
I'd love to do this on RHESUS:: since it had Apache running on it, could've kept it more or less constantly updated.
However RHESUS is offline for some reason and I'm 2000+ miles away from its physical location.
So I'll write the scraper on another box and produce an HTML table of public HECnet services.
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mobile +358 40 7208932
On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:02, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
I like this idea.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Somebody come up with the format (ideally CSV separated by pipe | signs) and I'll write a crawler -> HTML converter.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:02, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
I like this idea.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
I like this idea.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Good idea, one line of CSV with some tags around it maybe (.BEGIN-PUB / .END-PUB)..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 24 Sep 2013, at 19:50, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
De
OK, simple HTML table with:
- System name
- Type
- Services offered
- Guest account?
- Registrable accounts?
- Telnet link
We put that up on a website somewhere.
I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their
public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the
existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and
post the results on a web page.
De
