HECnet September 2013

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-25 01:33, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk <mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote: I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo > On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: > >> On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> >>> Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping >>> that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic >>> and heavy. :-) >> >> Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) > > Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. > >>> Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the >>> idea for now. >> >> I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) > > As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... > >>> There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. >>> Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something >>> superimposed on a real map. >> >> I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines >> waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's >> written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only >> DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found >> a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some >> limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). >> >> I will get back to it. I promise. :) > > Ah. > Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. > > Johnny > If people follow a standard CSV format surrounded by tags, converting that to a HTML list/table is like 10 lines of Python, max. It was not what I was looking for, but feel free to do it anyway. Also, it's probably not even 10 lines of code in IND to do the actual parsing of such lines. A little more to do the basic layout and headers of a page. But like I said, that kind of a page was not what I was thinking of. Oh well. No worry. It was just an idea I had. Since people on comp.os.vms was looking for alternative sites with public access VMS with guests, I was thinking about if HECnet could be it. But essentially, this is people who might be looking for machines with certain versions of OS, certain hardware platform, looking for certain tools, or cluster setups, or possibly other interesting resources available. Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk <mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote: I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) Ah. Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. Johnny If people follow a standard CSV format surrounded by tags, converting that to a HTML list/table is like 10 lines of Python, max. sampsa

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-24 23:41, Jarratt RMA wrote: By the way, the hecnet.eu <http://hecnet.eu> page says the bridge has to run on Unix. I have ported it to Windows as well. I can't remember if I ever sent the code to Johnny though. Johnny, do you want the code? I can't remember what I did to it, but I did have to change it around a bit. I don't think I ever got the code, but I remember you working on it. Yes, it would be nice to have. Johnny Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk <mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote: I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo > On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: > >> On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> >>> Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping >>> that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic >>> and heavy. :-) >> >> Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) > > Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. > >>> Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the >>> idea for now. >> >> I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) > > As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... > >>> There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. >>> Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something >>> superimposed on a real map. >> >> I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines >> waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's >> written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only >> DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found >> a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some >> limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). >> >> I will get back to it. I promise. :) > > Ah. > Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. > > Johnny > -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-24 23:30, Mark Wickens wrote: I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. You might want to put a link to madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/nodedb in there, Mark. My small hack on MIM to service the HECnet nodename database. Also, the topography stuff would be nice in there... But yeah, some resource information in there could be useful. Not entirely sure what a useful form would look like though. Feel free to experiment some. I might create something on MIM, but I totally suck at any layout work, or visual work in general. Johnny Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) Ah. Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 09:16:15PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: What does my router do to break your mapper? If I know it might be something I can fix. The mapper currently relies on NICE, so a device that doesn't speak that can't be mapped. -brian

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

By the way, the hecnet.eu page says the bridge has to run on Unix. I have ported it to Windows as well. I can't remember if I ever sent the code to Johnny though. Johnny, do you want the code? I can't remember what I did to it, but I did have to change it around a bit. Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote: I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo > On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: > >> On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>> >>> Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping >>> that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic >>> and heavy. :-) >> >> Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) > > Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. > >>> Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the >>> idea for now. >> >> I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) > > As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... > >>> There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. >>> Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something >>> superimposed on a real map. >> >> I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines >> waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's >> written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only >> DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found >> a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some >> limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). >> >> I will get back to it. I promise. :) > > Ah. > Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. > > Johnny >

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out of date quickly! Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my interest in dec kit is waxing again. Mark http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) Ah. Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. Johnny

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged information about public resources. Assembling something from one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of. Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX... There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) Ah. Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working more completely. Johnny

11 years, 6 months

Public access?

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

What does my router do to break your mapper? If I know it might be something I can fix. Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 21:07, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping > that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic > and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) > Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the > idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) > There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. > Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something > superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) -brian

11 years, 6 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I won't be home until the end of the week, I will try it this weekend. Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 21:03, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: Ok, 5 lines. :) first you need to enable DECnet routing: decnet routing X.Y (where X.Y is the DECnet address you want to give it) decnet node-type area Then you need to add this to the interface that talks to your DECnet LAN segment: decnet cost 10 Then you need to allow my config tool to talk to your router: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <community name> RW 10 Then you just need to get me all that info I asked for and we should be good. The machine running the config tool is down right now so I'm in no hurry. :) -brian On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: > I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can > do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want > to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy > using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working > let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though, > does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be > automatic? > > Thanks > > Rob > > > On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: > > > If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to > > update your IP. > > > > -brian > > > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does > > it > > > use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I > > get > > > the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is > > > not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode > > > router. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On > > Behalf > > > Of Steve Davidson > > > Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name, > > then I > > > can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated. > > > If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be > > > even faster. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens > > > Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote: > > > > > > I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October, > > > hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing > > > attendees to explore HECnet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP > > until > > > the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be > > > available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to > > peer > > > with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course > > of > > > the weekend though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other options? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this > > > in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did > > > last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it > > does > > > shake my memory a bit! > > > > > > Mark. > > > > > > <winmail.dat> > >

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