HECnet May 2013

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Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 16 May 2013 22:06 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM. On May 16, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: DECnet/Python? What's this exactly? sampsa A project of mine, inspired by the user mode router project Rob Jarratt is doing. It's the DECnet protocol stack implemented in Python. So it should be portable (right now it runs on Mac OS and Linux). And it's easy to implement because of the power of Python (for example, the on-NI cache is about 10 lines of code). Right now I have datalink (Ethernet, SIMH DMC11 emulation, Multinet over UDP), Routing (Phase IV endnode, L1 router, L2 router, over both datalink types), MOP (Ethernet only, including console carrier), primitive monitoring via HTTP, and about 3% of NSP. My goal is to make this a pretty complete DECnet implementation (Phase II through IV all in one). Ideally, that will include an API so you can write DECnet applications that use this stack as the protocol implementation. In other words, something that looks similar to DECnet sockets API, but inside the library it talks to the DECnet/Python daemon, NSP and below live there. YOu can see the work in progress at svn://akdesign.dyndns.org/pydecnet/trunk/pydecnet . No documentation to speak of yet, I should work on that... paul You seem to have got much further than I have. Although I do have enough of NSP and NICE to allow SH KNOWN CIRCUIT and SH ADJACENT NODES. Regards Rob

12 years, 1 month

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 16, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are events logged on either node when the packets are dropped? What does Wireshark say is in the packet headers? What does the VAX say in "show node tops10 status" ? paul

12 years, 1 month

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 16, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 16 May 2013, at 23:06, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: DECnet/Python? What's this exactly? sampsa A project of mine, inspired by the user mode router project Rob Jarratt is doing. It's the DECnet protocol stack implemented in Python. ... Oh cool, was just thinking about writing stuff in Python for DECNET. Let me know when the stack is stable. The routing part looks pretty good right now. I don't have it active all the time yet, but I hooked it into Multinet and it appeared to be stable. The main issue is that point to point DECnet over UDP is architecturally invalid; the initialization state machine isn't designed for that. The result is that it takes a while for both sides to agree that the circuit is "Up". I've been thinking of workaround for the misbehavior. A cleaner solution is to run Multinet over TCP, which appears to exist -- if someone can figure out how to do that and what the packet formats look like for that case, I'll implement it. Alternatively, the SIMH DMC11 protocol works very well, it would clearly be a superior solution for Hecnet. paul

12 years, 1 month

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 16 May 2013, at 23:06, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: DECnet/Python? What's this exactly? sampsa A project of mine, inspired by the user mode router project Rob Jarratt is doing. It's the DECnet protocol stack implemented in Python. So it should be portable (right now it runs on Mac OS and Linux). And it's easy to implement because of the power of Python (for example, the on-NI cache is about 10 lines of code). Right now I have datalink (Ethernet, SIMH DMC11 emulation, Multinet over UDP), Routing (Phase IV endnode, L1 router, L2 router, over both datalink types), MOP (Ethernet only, including console carrier), primitive monitoring via HTTP, and about 3% of NSP. My goal is to make this a pretty complete DECnet implementation (Phase II through IV all in one). Ideally, that will include an API so you can write DECnet applications that use this stack as the protocol implementation. In other words, something that looks similar to DECnet sockets API, but inside the library it talks to the DECnet/Python daemon, NSP and below live there. YOu can see the work in progress at svn://akdesign.dyndns.org/pydecnet/trunk/pydecnet . No documentation to speak of yet, I should work on that... paul Oh cool, was just thinking about writing stuff in Python for DECNET. Let me know when the stack is stable.

12 years, 1 month

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 16, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: DECnet/Python? What's this exactly? sampsa A project of mine, inspired by the user mode router project Rob Jarratt is doing. It's the DECnet protocol stack implemented in Python. So it should be portable (right now it runs on Mac OS and Linux). And it's easy to implement because of the power of Python (for example, the on-NI cache is about 10 lines of code). Right now I have datalink (Ethernet, SIMH DMC11 emulation, Multinet over UDP), Routing (Phase IV endnode, L1 router, L2 router, over both datalink types), MOP (Ethernet only, including console carrier), primitive monitoring via HTTP, and about 3% of NSP. My goal is to make this a pretty complete DECnet implementation (Phase II through IV all in one). Ideally, that will include an API so you can write DECnet applications that use this stack as the protocol implementation. In other words, something that looks similar to DECnet sockets API, but inside the library it talks to the DECnet/Python daemon, NSP and below live there. YOu can see the work in progress at svn://akdesign.dyndns.org/pydecnet/trunk/pydecnet . No documentation to speak of yet, I should work on that... paul

12 years, 1 month

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 16 May 2013, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Does running two instances work if you specify the mac addresses in the config file? Try dedic=0 enaddr=<mac> ifc=eth0 decnet=1 I don't notice that issue, but I'm binding them to different interfaces on a Sun Quad Fast Ethernet card. Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Weird. What's the node number? -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 1 month

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 16 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: My nodes: 9.54 (PYTHON) DECnet/Python router 9.55 (NI1D) DECnet/E, RSTS/E V10.1 on simh (in area 9 all of my SIMH instances run on Solaris) 9.1 (GEWT) VAX/VMS 7.3 SIMH 9.2 (MINDY) TOPS-20 (Panda) KLH10 9.3 (MISSY) Tru64 AlphaServer ES40 9.4 (MANDY) RSX-11M+ SIMH 9.10 (MARLEY) TOPS-10 7.05 KLH10 9.1023 (A9RTR) Virtual Cisco also for Connor: 32.1 (FDR) SIMH on Windows Server 2003 paul -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 1 month

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 16 May 2013, at 21:19, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: My nodes: 9.54 (PYTHON) DECnet/Python router 9.55 (NI1D) DECnet/E, RSTS/E V10.1 on simh paul DECnet/Python? What's this exactly? sampsa

12 years, 1 month

HECnet LAT groups...

by jeep＠scshome.net

Don't forget about MIM::DU4:[DECNET]LATGROUPS.TXT -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:12 To: hecnet Subject: [HECnet] HECnet LAT groups... Hi. I'd like to ask people to look over their LAT setups. Looking at group 0 right now, the list is rather long, and containing lots of services that looks like they really would be better placed in some other group. The idea of group 0 has been to have publicly available systems in group 0, so that people using DECservers can just look at group 0, and whatever local groups they have, and not have a long list of services that are of no relevance at all to them. Johnny

12 years, 1 month

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird.

12 years, 1 month

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