HECnet May 2013

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by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 16/05/13 23:20, En/na Paul_Koning at Dell.com ha escrit: Are events logged on either node when the packets are dropped? What does Wireshark say is in the packet headers? What does the VAX say in "show node tops10 status" ? No logged dropped packets. The TOPS10 instances just can talk to its adjacents, and just its adjacents can talk to it. I will do more testing this evening and will write a more complete post about it, including my experimental network setup.

11 years, 6 months

Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM.

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Robert Jarratt Sent: 16 May 2013 22:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 16 May 2013 17:29 To: hecnet Subject: [HECnet] Another sillyness. More information in the nodename database on MIM. This is a totally volontary thing. I've finally come to the point where I think that there are a few more pieces of data on nodes that would be nice/useful to have from time to time. So I've extended the nodename database on MIM for this. The fields that I have added are CPU, OS and location. You can see an example of values by going to http://madame.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet?node=mim So, feel free to submit data to me for nodes you know. Or look up information. Or suggest interfaces that you'd like to get to extract this information, and I'll try and comply. :-) Johnny The following are always on: 5.0123 A5RTR DECnet User Mode Router running on Windows Server 2003 5.8 VAX780 SIMH VMS 5.4 on Raspberry Pi The following only run occasionally, I have more but the details are not to hand. 5.10 MICRO1 MicroVAX II VMS 5.4 5.24 MICRO4 MicroVAX II MicroVMS 4.6 5.20 VAX6 VAX 4000-200 running VMS 5.4 5.2 VLC1 VAXstation 4000 VLC running VMS 7.3 Regards Rob Forgot to add, all my nodes are in Stockport, UK. Regards Rob

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? I may have missed that email. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Oh dear. Search back to the beginning of the thread, when you made the announcement in a completely new one. ----- Odd. Now why is that red guy in a monster suit and wearing cheap sneakers pounding on that terminal again? For some really weird reason that has gotten the plot of Electric Dreams stuck in my head....I blame that. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! And you are referencing what there? That's only gossamer, one of B. Bunny's favorite monsters. He's also running TWC in Columbus OH. Electric Dreams was a movie involving a love triange between a man, woman, and computer. Ahhh. Right. I've forgottem some of that stuff. ;) ---- **Suddenly without warning the watcher in the dark by the windows leans closer. And the one being watched faints, as it turns out the individual was being watched by the Doctor himself.** ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? I may have missed that email. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Oh dear. Search back to the beginning of the thread, when you made the announcement in a completely new one. ----- Odd. Now why is that red guy in a monster suit and wearing cheap sneakers pounding on that terminal again? For some really weird reason that has gotten the plot of Electric Dreams stuck in my head....I blame that. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! And you are referencing what there? That's only gossamer, one of B. Bunny's favorite monsters. He's also running TWC in Columbus OH. ---- **Suddenly without warning the watcher in the dark by the windows leans closer. And the one being watched faints, as it turns out the individual was being watched by the Doctor himself.** ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? I may have missed that email. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Oh dear. Search back to the beginning of the thread, when you made the announcement in a completely new one. ----- Odd. Now why is that red guy in a monster suit and wearing cheap sneakers pounding on that terminal again? For some really weird reason that has gotten the plot of Electric Dreams stuck in my head....I blame that. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? I may have missed that email. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Oh dear. Search back to the beginning of the thread, when you made the announcement in a completely new one. ----- Odd. Now why is that red guy in a monster suit and wearing cheap sneakers pounding on that terminal again? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 17 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? I may have missed that email. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! My doing. Now how come you, Cory, didn't react regarding my description of how your network for the TOPS-10 setup was arranged? Or that of stirring in the monster from the WB cartoons? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Thu, 17 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul One amusing issue: I kept getting adjacency up notices about my TOPS-10 install...but no down notices. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 6 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 16, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-16 22:16, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 22:52, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. Speaking of devices... has anyone been succesful configuring KLH10 to use a tap interface? I have not been able to do that, so I have to share the host real ethernet, thus making not posible to run two instances of KLH10 in the same host (unless I run those inside a VM, which is a little bit overkill). Oh, and a weird thing... I have a simulated TOPS-10 under KLH10 with DECNET up and running... but it can talk only to its adjacent nodes. It seems like the routing node (a simh 780 running VMS 4.7) does not route traffic (in either direction) when the destination or the source is the KLH10... Weird. Are you sure it talks ok with the routing node? I mean, have you actually used any protocol to test, or just noted the adjacency up messages? The reason I ask is that the adjacency up messages are not really enough to be sure that the link really is working. One thing to remember is that a router adjacency "up" transition does not make anything reachable (except on DECnet/E which doesn't quite do things according to the spec). Only when the routing messages are exchanged after the adjacency comes up is anything marked as reachable. Yes, that includes the neighbor router, by spec (this is the part that DECnet/E does differently). paul

11 years, 6 months

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