On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-03 00:31, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
That is what adapters are made for...
Johnny
Adapters only help if you have 'em. ;)
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On 10/02/2013 06:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
There is MicroEMACS, which is really easy to port around (I have it
running on RSX).
I used MicroEMACS when I did a lot of DOS development in the 1980s. I
also ran it for awhile (until I got GNU Emacs built) on a 3B1.
Then I ran across an amazingly nice emacs implementation called
"Freemacs". It's DOS-only, written in assembler, but like GNU Emacs, it
is just an editor core plus primitives, with higher-level functions
written in an interpreted language. Freemacs' language is called
"Mint", and it's sorta Lisp-like, but not really Lisp. (one could say
that GNU Emacs' elisp isn't really Lisp either, but..)
If you do anything DOS-related at all, and are an emacs person, I
recommend Freemacs wholeheartedly. It really is very, very nice.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-10-03 00:31, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
That is what adapters are made for...
Johnny
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 10/02/2013 06:37 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yet I have a drive that shows up as /7/ different 1.05G disks. With a
different device number assigned to each. Along with my 2G drive
showing up as 600M
That can happen if the drive is set to the same SCSI ID as the
initiator (controller).
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
yOn Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
Yet I have a drive that shows up as /7/ different 1.05G disks. With a different device number assigned to each. Along with my 2G drive showing up as 600M
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-03 00:09, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-02 23:29, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Depends...
Issue a "SHOW DEVICE" at the dead sargent and post the output.
Well...this could explain a bit: I was burning at 24x and throwing
those
discs at a 12x drive.
:rolleyes:
That generally has no correlation whatsoever. What's important is
whether
or not the CD-rom can read the recordable media you're using. Some
record-
able media works better than other in older CD-rom drives.
Hey, I haven't touched CD-ROM stuff in awhile! ;)
You need a refresher...
BTW, the drive you have installed, is it jumpered for 512 byte
blocks???
I'm not even seeing a jumper for it on the drive. Drive is a crippled
Apple CR-507-C (Hey! It's the only working SCSI CD-ROM drive I have!)
I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be related to the
block size. DEC machines wants disks (including CD) to have 512 byte
blocks. A majority of CD drives do 2048 byte blocks. Not compatible.
Johnny
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
No. The writing is fine. You can write the data on any drive...
You need to read it on a drive that do 512 byte blocks.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
I don't think this is a problem. I've burned many VMS images on my Mac and booted my VAXen from them.
Ian
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-02 23:29, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Depends...
Issue a "SHOW DEVICE" at the dead sargent and post the output.
Well...this could explain a bit: I was burning at 24x and throwing those
discs at a 12x drive.
:rolleyes:
That generally has no correlation whatsoever. What's important is
whether
or not the CD-rom can read the recordable media you're using. Some
record-
able media works better than other in older CD-rom drives.
Hey, I haven't touched CD-ROM stuff in awhile! ;)
You need a refresher...
BTW, the drive you have installed, is it jumpered for 512 byte blocks???
I'm not even seeing a jumper for it on the drive. Drive is a crippled
Apple CR-507-C (Hey! It's the only working SCSI CD-ROM drive I have!)
I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be related to the block size. DEC machines wants disks (including CD) to have 512 byte blocks. A majority of CD drives do 2048 byte blocks. Not compatible.
Johnny
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
