HECnet October 2013

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by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Oh nertz! There goes my chance out an airlock. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/02/2013 07:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;) Nah, too lazy. I'm not at all interested in another annoying Google Groups list..sorry. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/02/2013 07:37 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What's wrong Cory? Peeved that you did not think of it first? I think he's peeved because Google Groups blows. Setting up a mailing list is not difficult, and we already HAVE an alternate list (dectec) that just doesn't ever get used for whatever reason. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/02/2013 07:37 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;) Nah, too lazy. I'm not at all interested in another annoying Google Groups list..sorry. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by sampsa＠mac.com

Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;) Nah, too lazy.

11 years, 1 month

SIMH/VAX "temporary VMS cluster" for satellite installation notes

by blairrya＠cse.msu.edu

Since this has come up a few times as a recommendation (but without details on how to do it), I figured I'd provide my [really terse and unclean] notes on how to set up a SIMH/VAX image you can use to temporarily satellite boot VAXen into a cluster just to lay a fresh copy of VMS down onto them (and then on reboot have the targets be standalone machines). Please let me know if you have suggestions for cleaning this up! I'd love feedback for this. Also, apologies to Oleg & co in Area 63, that's just the random area I chose when writing these notes up and it's only used for the satellite boot host temporarily. Feel free to clean that up for "your" install! Note that this assumes OpenVMS VAX 7.3. You could swap this around for any 5.x/6.x/7.x version without much trouble. Make sure you have nothing you care about on any of the drives, read carefully, and use your brain to properly adjust device names/paths/addresses/etc for your install. These were just written up/tested with two simh instances (one for boot host, one for satellite). simh config looks like: ;;; vms.ini set cpu 256m set cpu idle=vms set console telnet=4000 set cpu conhalt ; load -r conf/ka655x.bin ; attach nvr conf/nvram.bin ; set rq0 ra72 att rq0 disk/ra72-0.img ; set rq3 lock set rq3 rrd40 attach -r rq3 dist/your_vms_vax_install_cd.iso ; set rl disable set ts disable set tq enable set tq tk70 ; set dz disable set vh enable set vh lines=16 attach -am vh 3000 ; set xq enable ; DECnet Phase IV node 63.1 set xq mac=AA-00-04-00-01-FC ; this will probably be completely different depending on ; your simh release and host OS att xq e1000g0 ;;;; END boot install media. standalone: $ backup dua3:vms073.b/save_set dua0:/init /list halt, reboot. set boot dua0 boot install just these: The following options will be provided: OpenVMS library OpenVMS optional OpenVMS Help Message DECnet Phase IV SYSTEM: <whatever> SYSTEST: <whatever> FIELD: <whatever> SCSNODENAME: CLBOOT SCSSYSTEMID: 64513 (1024*[area]64 + [node]1) skip loading PAKs for now set UTC for timezone (box reboots) log in as SYSTEM load your PAKs edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT should have: SCSNODE="CLBOOT" SCSSYSTEMID=64513 VAXCLUSTER=0 add these: WINDOW_SYSTEM=0 DUMPFILE = 0 ! Disallow AUTOGEN to create or size dump file MIN_INTSTKPAGES=20 MIN_CHANNELCNT=255 MIN_SPTREQ=6000 MIN_GBLPAGES=100000 MIN_GBLPAGFIL=6024 MIN_GBLSECTIONS=550 MIN_NPAGEDYN=5374720 MIN_NPAGEVIR=23675136 MIN_PAGEDYN=274000 MIN_PQL_MBYTLM=40000 save the file: (^z) apply these changes: @sys$update:autogen getdata shutdown nofeedback going to make SYSTEM's password not expire to make life easy for the moment: set def sys$system run authorize UAF> modify system/FLAG=NODISUSER/NOPWDEXPIR ^z get the cluster configured: set def SYS$MANAGER @cluster_config_lan 1. ADD CLBOOT to existing cluster, or form a new cluster. Will the LAN be used for cluster communications (Y/N)? y Enter this cluster's group number: 4095 ###http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731final/4477/4477pro_003.html#cluster_group_number #The cluster group number uniquely identifies each OpenVMS Cluster system on a LAN. This number must be from 1 to 4095 or from 61440 to 65535. #Rule: If you plan to have more than one OpenVMS Cluster system on a LAN, you must coordinate the assignment of cluster group numbers among system managers. Enter this cluster's password: <whatever> Will CLBOOT be a boot server [Y]? y Enter a value for CLBOOT's ALLOCLASS parameter [0]: 1 #http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/84final/4477/4477pro_010.html#disk_alloclass #6.2.2 Specifying Node Allocation Classes #A node allocation class can be assigned to computers, HSG or HSV controllers. The node allocation class is a numeric value from 1 to 255 that is assigned by the system manager. #The default node allocation class value is 0. A node allocation class value of 0 is appropriate only when serving a local, single-pathed disk. If a node allocation class of 0 is assigned, served devices are named using the node-name$device-name syntax, that is, the device name prefix reverts to the node name. #The following rules apply to specifying node allocation class values: #When serving satellites, the same nonzero node allocation class value must be assigned to the serving computers and controllers. #All cluster-accessible devices on computers with a nonzero node allocation class value must have unique names throughout the cluster. For example, if two computers have the same node allocation class value, it is invalid for both computers to have a local disk named DGA0 or a tape named MUA0. This also applies to HSG and HSV subsystems. #System managers provide node allocation classes separately for disks and tapes. The node allocation class for disks and the node allocation class for tapes can be different. #The node allocation class names are constructed as follows: #$disk-allocation-class$device-name #$tape-allocation-class$device-name #Caution: Failure to set node allocation class values and device unit numbers correctly can endanger data integrity and cause locking conflicts that suspend normal cluster operations. #Figure 6-5 includes satellite nodes that access devices $1$DUA17 and $1$MUA12 through the JUPITR and NEPTUN computers. In this configuration, the computers JUPITR and NEPTUN require node allocation classes so that the satellite nodes are able to use consistent device names regardless of the access path to the devices. #Note: System management is usually simplified by using the same node allocation class value for all servers, HSG and HSV subsystems; you can arbitrarily choose a number between 1 and 255. Note, however, that to change a node allocation class value, you must shut down and reboot the entire cluster (described in Section 8.6). If you use a common node allocation class for computers and controllers, ensure that all devices have unique unit numbers. Does this cluster contain a quorum disk [N]? n Do you want to run AUTOGEN now [Y]? y <reboots> set up LANCP to handle MOP booting MCR LANCP LANCP> LIST DEVICE/MOPDLL LANCP> DEFINE DEVICE XQA0:/MOPDLL=ENABLE (or on one line: MCR LANCP SET DEV XQA0:/MOPDLL=ENABLE) ... if you're running decnet and you want to populate LANCP with nodenames/hw addrs from NCP, run this... @SYS$EXAMPLES:LAN$POPULATE.COM READY TO ROCK!!!! for every satellite, on the master: @CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN and select 1. ADD a VAX node to the cluster. ### installing VMS from a remote CD on a satellite-booted node: $ mount/over=id $1$dua3: (that's $ALLOCLASS$REMOTEDEVICE:) $ MOUNT/FOREIGN DUA0: $ backup $1$dua3:[000000]vms073.b/save_set dua0:/init /image/verify/list $ DISMOUNT DUA0: $ MOUNT/OVER=ID DUA0: $ COPY $1$dua3:[000000]vms073.* DUA0:[000000] ### if you want DECWindows you'll need DECW073.* too $ DISMOUNT DUA0: $ @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN (make sure to pick REMOVE_NODE) SET BOOT DUA0: BOOT ... set up the satellite: ### FROM http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/192 OpenVMS Satellite Bootstrap with LANCP LANCP is used by the CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM to configure the MOP satellite bootstrap. MOP downloads can be performed using LANCP. LANCP is available on V6.2 and later (the following shows V8.3 syntax), and can be enabled to service cluster and DECserver MOP service (download) requests. An OpenVMS Alpha satellite at the hardware address 01-02-03-04-05-06: $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:LANCP SET NODE HLSAT1 - /ADDRESS=01-02-03-04-05-06 /FILE=APB.EXE - /ROOT=HL_ALPHA_SYS: - /BOOT_TYPE=ALPHA_SATELLITE An OpenVMS VAX satellite at the hardware address 11-22-33-44-55-66: $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:LANCP SET NODE VAXSYS/ADDRESS=11-22-33-44-55-66 - /FILE=NISCS_LOAD.EXE - /ROOT=HL_VAX_SYS: - /BOOT_TYPE=VAX_SATELLITE The /BOOT_TYPE keyword value is ALPHA_SATELLITE, I64_SATELLITE, VAX_SATELLITE, and (for everything else) OTHER. To enable MOP operations on a specific or on all network devices, see the LANCP command DEFINE DEVICE /ALL /MOPDLL=NOEXCLUSIVE, or potentially /MOPDLL=(ENABLE,EXCLUSIVE) OpenVMS I64 systems and Integrity servers do not use MOP in any form in the console bootstrap processing. To perform a satellite bootstrap of an Integrity Itanium host, you must establish the necessary settings within the EFI console for a network bootstrap, and must configure a bootp and tftp and PXE server to respond to the EFI console request; a PXE server. OpenVMS I64 and OpenVMS Alpha systems running V8.* releases can service PXE requests from OpenVMS I64 hosts. These download services are typically implemented using the host-based InfoServer support. ### END -Ryan

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! What's wrong Cory? Peeved that you did not think of it first? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I understand BQT's point about keeping the signal/noise ratio good on the main technical HECnet list, but sometimes random conversations start etc. For these cases I created hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com, open to anyone (if spam becomes an issue I'll tighten the security a tad) This is NOT a replacement for this awesome mailing list that I have enjoyed and learnt many thing from over nearly a decade. I just feel that there is a community spirit in HECnet that would probably be best expressed on another mailing list. Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;) The address for the group is hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com , just send any mail and you will be subscribed to it. I think this will lower the random noise in the main HECnet list yet could be amusing for the people who enjoy the social aspect of retrocomputing / networking.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 1 month

OpenVMS on VAXstation 4000/60

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/02/2013 06:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Write it directly. Backup can do that right? I don't have to right disk images to disk in VMS too often. ;) No. This is what I've done to write tape images to tapes: $ INIT/ERASE MUA0: "" $ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512 MUA0: $ COPY <filename> MUA0: $ DISMOUNT/UNLOAD MUA0: Can anyone (Brian S?) say if this will work with disk as the destination device as well? I'd guess yes, but I haven't done it myself, at least not recently enough that I remember. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Does this mean that your new space would be interested in my wild attempts at humor aimed at two to three individuals in this space? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I understand BQT's point about keeping the signal/noise ratio good on the main technical HECnet list, but sometimes random conversations start etc. For these cases I created hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com, open to anyone (if spam becomes an issue I'll tighten the security a tad) This is NOT a replacement for this awesome mailing list that I have enjoyed and learnt many thing from over nearly a decade. I just feel that there is a community spirit in HECnet that would probably be best expressed on another mailing list. The address for the group is hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com , just send any mail and you will be subscribed to it. I think this will lower the random noise in the main HECnet list yet could be amusing for the people who enjoy the social aspect of retrocomputing / networking.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I understand BQT's point about keeping the signal/noise ratio good on the main technical HECnet list, but sometimes random conversations start etc. For these cases I created hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com, open to anyone (if spam becomes an issue I'll tighten the security a tad) This is NOT a replacement for this awesome mailing list that I have enjoyed and learnt many thing from over nearly a decade. I just feel that there is a community spirit in HECnet that would probably be best expressed on another mailing list. Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;) The address for the group is hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com , just send any mail and you will be subscribed to it. I think this will lower the random noise in the main HECnet list yet could be amusing for the people who enjoy the social aspect of retrocomputing / networking.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 1 month

New mailing list - HECnet Random :)

by sampsa＠mac.com

I understand BQT's point about keeping the signal/noise ratio good on the main technical HECnet list, but sometimes random conversations start etc. For these cases I created hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com, open to anyone (if spam becomes an issue I'll tighten the security a tad) This is NOT a replacement for this awesome mailing list that I have enjoyed and learnt many thing from over nearly a decade. I just feel that there is a community spirit in HECnet that would probably be best expressed on another mailing list. The address for the group is hecnetrandom at googlegroups.com , just send any mail and you will be subscribed to it. I think this will lower the random noise in the main HECnet list yet could be amusing for the people who enjoy the social aspect of retrocomputing / networking.. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932

11 years, 1 month

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