On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 08/10/2013 06:24, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
That's what I do. (Well, DECserver to a FreeBSD box, and then to the world if I want to send email...like this particular one was sent from a VT320 on a DECserver 200/MC)
Last night I was basking in the glow of an orange VT320 as I used that and a DECserver to get around HECNET.
AFAIR Johnny's bridge is capable of forwarding LAT so I can see a load of services on the DECSERVER if I type SHOW SERVICE.
Orange VT320? Mine is green. Neat!
I also noticed that SET HOST LA75, which is meant to be a printer port on the DECSERVER in the basement gave me SYSTEM access to SLAVE. Woops, a little reconfiguration required there!
Yup. ;)
Regards, Mark.
Daniel.
On 08/10/2013, at 10:27 AM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
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Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 10/08/2013 09:17 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, I'd hook up a terminal first, set ATS0=1 (autoanswer) and then
store the defaults in the modem's NVRAM. That way the modem just
raises the DCD line when a connection has been made.
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
No OS I've ever seen does. Such things are not the responsibility of
the operating system.
;)
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On 10/08/2013 09:17 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, I'd hook up a terminal first, set ATS0=1 (autoanswer) and then
store the defaults in the modem's NVRAM. That way the modem just
raises the DCD line when a connection has been made.
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
No OS I've ever seen does. Such things are not the responsibility of
the operating system.
-Dave
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"Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> writes:
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a
terminal?
Actually the VMS dialer interface is well documented (isn't all of VMS
like that??) and long, long ago I wrote a dialer for Hayes modems. It lets
you use the SET HOST/DTE/DIAL=... command with Hayes compatible modems.
If you really need it I could probably find a copy.
Bob
I was about to mention SET HOST/DTE/DIAL=(NUMBER=<number>,MODEL=<modem_type>)
and that <modem_type> can be most any modem because the dialer program API is
well documented.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Essentially, telling getty what kind of equipment is attached. In VMS you would not allow LOGINOUT to handle a port where something like a fax was installed. Instead you'd run the fax program, and have that handle the port. Using getty in this way can be considered either very clever, or very ugly, depending on your preferences and view on how to do things... But essentially, you'll have a getty which can do and understand a lot of different things.
I totally agree, my last modem was a lovely Nokia ECM 19200 that could be programmed from a set of button on the front panel and had a 2 line LCD screen. I set it on auto-answer, DCD/DTR correctly and all AT responses off, and plugged it into CHIMPY.
Worked like a dream until the power supply blew up.
It was 11 years old though..:)
sampsa
On 10/08/2013 08:44 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I remember you calling into CHIMPY with that 2400 baud Amstrad thing,
good times.
But the Nokia 9210 is actually pretty cool, V.110 is like wireless
ISDN plus if the other side has an analogue modem, the operator has a
modem pool that converts the signal.
Ideal for this use I think (next to zero operating costs, easy
connection, flexible, can't get hit by lightning*)
* Seriously, the place in Hila has taken a few harsh hits during
storms, the electrical system was protected but the telephone wiring
wasn't, high voltage jumps from PSTN to Skype base station to switch
via ethernet, 1000+ euros damage. So we decided to take all the
telephone wiring out and just use Skype. Nobody has noticed any
difference.
The NSA noticed the difference.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 10/08/2013 08:40 AM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Heh... this is obviously the way we did it in UNIX decades ago... I
always complained about trying to use UNIX for the very thing it
seemingly opposed (strict user controls) ...
... and we still do this; I can't keep users out of the OS an in the
app... argh...
I keep users out of OSs just fine. Need a consultant? ;)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 2013-10-08 15:54, Sampsa Laine wrote:
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Config files and/or command line options - some of them even know how to pass FAXES along to a fax receiving program.
Not saying this should be in VMS, just that it has existed in the real world for a long time.
Essentially, telling getty what kind of equipment is attached. In VMS you would not allow LOGINOUT to handle a port where something like a fax was installed. Instead you'd run the fax program, and have that handle the port. Using getty in this way can be considered either very clever, or very ugly, depending on your preferences and view on how to do things... But essentially, you'll have a getty which can do and understand a lot of different things.
Johnny
On 8 Oct 2013, at 16:03, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
For those interested in Sixels, I ported the code (quick and dirty)
from ftp://ftp.cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/all_about_sixels.txt
to Javascript and combined it with Flot and a JQuery terminal:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
You then get a Javascript terminal, with a display function; some examples:
js> example$
js> display(example$)
js> display(Array(5).join('CA at ACGOG'))
js> display('HECNET')
and
js> display(digital$)
Considering the run time to display the latter image, photos should
perhaps not be too detailed...
Cool - any change you could add my logo (B&W picture of angry monkey from Family Guy)?
That would totally make my day.
On 08/10/2013 14:54, Sampsa Laine wrote:
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Config files and/or command line options - some of them even know how to pass FAXES along to a fax receiving program.
Not saying this should be in VMS, just that it has existed in the real world for a long time.
I have a couple of scripts which I think came from DECUS originally and there is definitely an FAQ on the subject.
I can share these for anyone who is interested (easy enough to put in the archive on SLAVE). You can guarantee you will need to do some tweaking however!
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