On 01/17/2013 03:42 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has
so far!
Actually from what info has been floating around, he has neither a job
nor a life, outside of his work on OI. If he pulls it off, with the
installer, we'll owe him a great debt of gratitude.
He was supposed to release his installable code about three weeks ago,
but didn't...not sure why.
I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of
the week.
In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the
way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI
hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable,
and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll
take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to
it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much
tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though)
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 1/17/2013 3:24 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05,hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
>Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
>But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with.
I ran a wifi bridge many years ago when I lived in Philly. Never worked well and then the school across the street put in a bajillion million watt APs that used EVERY FUCKING AVAILABLE CHANNEL and my bridge just stopped working completely at that point.
That's when I was introduced to MoCA. 100mbit and solid. Also, latency is much lower than wireless.
Also, very cheap (looking now, NIM100s are $15/each on ebay but I paid $5/each for mine) and at least here in the US coax is almost guaranteed to be in place in pretty much every house so you rarely even have to do any major wire pulls.
-brian
On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has so far!
I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of the week.
-brian
On 1/17/2013 2:47 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
Like Dell. I'm still not sure why they make them and who, if anyone, buys them.
Hell, I'm not even sure what people run on them if they don't run VMS/HP-UX. :)
I'll echo the "issues with linux on IA64" thing here. Now, granted this was many, many years ago, but I had issues with stuff segfaulting under RedHat on that Itanium box at Eric's place. Never did figure out why it did that.
-brian
On 01/17/2013 03:12 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I use 8GB. In my Integrity box the RAM is banked per CPU, so I have
4GB per socket. I don't know if yours is the same?
I don't recall; it's been awhile since I've been inside that machine.
Yeah, I lost interest when Oracle slammed the door, but if
OpenIndiana looks promising on SPARC there may be hop for my Ultra 60
yet :)
It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it
on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD,
because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have
finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he
expected.
I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does
*everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether
Oracle is sleazy or not.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 02:43 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I know right? I'm amazed they still work!
Ahh, young'ns. ;) You're accustomed to brand-new drives dying in a
year or two. That's a relatively recent thing, designed to drive
sales figures.
Yeah. That's why belligerent bastards like me ALWAYS send 2-year old
corpses back to the manufacturer for replacement under warranty. I
ain't paying for a drive to die after 18 months when I have drives
here I bought and used 10 years ago that are still 100% working!!
Yep.
[Dave glances over at a stack of 40-year-old RK05s that work great..]
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
The only reason why those middle-aged drives work is because they've
got great backup...
I've got a crowd of SCSI drives here that agree with you Dave.
There's also a pair of one hundred year old Yetis outside who agree.
When they aren't doing things......
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with.
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On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:29, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Ethernet over mainspower runs at 50 Mb/s (a friend uses such a product). It is reliable but both rooms are on the same phase.
Wireless is your best bet. Two accesspoints in "remote bridge mode" ought to do the job.
If all else fails run ethernet over a phone line, 10 Mb/s is feasible depending on distance.
Any suggestions for access point models? I need one that doesn't suck if I go that approach.
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Hello!
I'm going to be moving some of my equipment to the basement here for several reasons (heat produced, noise, space, et cetera), and in planning i'm hitting a roadblock: networking.
I've come up with several ideas:
Wireless client-bridge: Linksys e1000 is garbage and doesn't like to pass DECnet or any of those protocols, so i'd either need a workaround or a better router. (workaround being: a virtual cisco tunnel to my other virtual cisco?) (Other router: /real/ Cisco or a another suggestion from someone on this list)
Powerline ethernet: Is this reliable yet? How are the transfer speeds?
Or: Adding a phone jack, getting DSL on the second line here. (installation costs, but would actually be $2 more/month to upgrade current plan + add a second identical plan not counting hardware rental fees, setup costs, and that stuff)
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
Any (viable) options i'm missing?
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On 01/17/2013 03:11 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
I could be arsed to give it a whirl, if you think there's any
possibility of it actually booting. I'd rather not go dig it out if
there's little chance, though.
Now, I'm aware that you're "all up in there" with VMS internals...Is
there any chance of your being able to make it run (I understand that
there'd likely be low-level driver work involved) on an unsupported
system such as this?
Anything is possible; however, I've been involved in too many Sisyphean
efforts to know that you might be better off getting a supported system
if it doesn't boot.
Ahh. Well, I *have* this machine already (got it for free), and
although nice boxes like rx2620s are pretty cheap, I'm not into shelling
out more bucks for such a box at the moment. In general I agree with
your position though.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:42, Dave McGuire wrote:
For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll be
very happy. :)
Use it to heat your bath water, Itaniums should be ideal for that ;)
I installed Linux on it, but it was slower than pissing tar.
Not only that but it doesn't like working all that much, especially
when it comes to desktops and GUIs.
On Itanium you mean?
Yeah, due to the fact mine had a FireGL X1 in it, Linux basically decided it was not playing ball. A Radeon 7500 would fix it (and also in OpenVMS) but alas finding one is a great toil.
OpenVMS 8.4 (2011 version) runs like hot snot on my zx6000 :D I
wouldn't run Debian on it - it's a waste of electricity for just
another Linux box. HP-UX... well lets just say a favourite joke about
THAT was to reverse the H and the P then pronounce it as an acronym
;)
Unfortunately it doesn't run on this machine. :-( I wish it did.
If it's no HP (I just retyped this part!!) then there's not a huge chance it will work. I don't know if OpenVMS or the HP firmware has the EFI software needed to boot OpenVMS.
Not enough RAM by a long chalk. For a 4-way Itanium you need 8GB
MINIMUM IMHO :)
That depends on what one is doing, I'd imagine. ;)
Itanium eats RAM when doing anything much. Mine came with (hold onto your pants) 24GB of RAM installed in it. It *was* a CAD workstation at an F1 team, but even still... 24GB might be common now in the 64-bit PC era but in 2003 that was actually more RAM than my PC had hard drive space! :P
I use 8GB. In my Integrity box the RAM is banked per CPU, so I have 4GB per socket. I don't know if yours is the same?
I patted my UltraSPARCs (which run at HALF that clock rate)
affectionately on that day.
I miss using my U60 but Oracle took my ball away and now I'm grumpy
:(
Huh? My UltraSPARCs still run great. I wouldn't be exchanging email
with you now if they weren't. ;) Besides, OpenIndiana is on the cusp of
having installable SPARC builds supporting just about every UltraSPARC
in existence.
Yeah, I lost interest when Oracle slammed the door, but if OpenIndiana looks promising on SPARC there may be hop for my Ultra 60 yet :)
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Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay.
But you're not a Linksys fan, are you?
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:31:34
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Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Multi-floor household (DECnet) routing help needed
On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:29, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Ethernet over mainspower runs at 50 Mb/s (a friend uses such a product). It is reliable but both rooms are on the same phase.
Wireless is your best bet. Two accesspoints in "remote bridge mode" ought to do the job.
If all else fails run ethernet over a phone line, 10 Mb/s is feasible depending on distance.
Any suggestions for access point models? I need one that doesn't suck if I go that approach.
------Origineel bericht------
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Multi-floor household (DECnet) routing help needed
Verzonden: 16 januari 2013 23:12
Hello!
I'm going to be moving some of my equipment to the basement here for several reasons (heat produced, noise, space, et cetera), and in planning i'm hitting a roadblock: networking.
I've come up with several ideas:
Wireless client-bridge: Linksys e1000 is garbage and doesn't like to pass DECnet or any of those protocols, so i'd either need a workaround or a better router. (workaround being: a virtual cisco tunnel to my other virtual cisco?) (Other router: /real/ Cisco or a another suggestion from someone on this list)
Powerline ethernet: Is this reliable yet? How are the transfer speeds?
Or: Adding a phone jack, getting DSL on the second line here. (installation costs, but would actually be $2 more/month to upgrade current plan + add a second identical plan not counting hardware rental fees, setup costs, and that stuff)
Running cables all the way from the second floor isn't viable.
Any (viable) options i'm missing?
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
