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Sample DCL code for simple client-server task-to-task comms

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-01-17 16:49, sampsa at mac.com wrote: The problem with PHONE is that you can't see a centralised directory of the whole network and who's on. I tried to write a script on a Linux-DECNET box to get such a directory but it broke something on BQT's systems. Broke and broke... You managed to spam my logging. For some reason you managed to trigger logs for trying to access machines that were not up, if I remember correctly... Johnny IM's are slightly different, as I'm sure you're aware. The benefits to phone are: - You are notified when your buddies log on, anywhere on HECnet - You can control who can message you (i.e. buddies only) sampsa On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:46, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 10:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: El 17/01/2013, a les 16:09, sampsa at mac.com va escriure: Any interest in this type of service, i.e. something like Jabber/Gtalk but over DECNET? Aren't you reinventing PHONE? ;) Only insofar as to use it on an actual phone I hope. ;) Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hello! It did? Just how far along was this? Dave that was the fault of the monstrosity keeping your PDP-11 family company. Including the furry something else that keeps sending.... Well you get the idea. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Sample DCL code for simple client-server task-to-task comms

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-01-17 17:09, sampsa at mac.com wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:46, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 10:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: El 17/01/2013, a les 16:09, sampsa at mac.com va escriure: Any interest in this type of service, i.e. something like Jabber/Gtalk but over DECNET? Aren't you reinventing PHONE? ;) Only insofar as to use it on an actual phone I hope. ;) Think of this as a notification system and text message extension to VMS PHONE :) PHONE HELP MAIL ? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 10 months

Sample DCL code for simple client-server task-to-task comms

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-01-17 16:49, sampsa at mac.com wrote: The problem with PHONE is that you can't see a centralised directory of the whole network and who's on. I tried to write a script on a Linux-DECNET box to get such a directory but it broke something on BQT's systems. Broke and broke... You managed to spam my logging. For some reason you managed to trigger logs for trying to access machines that were not up, if I remember correctly... Johnny IM's are slightly different, as I'm sure you're aware. The benefits to phone are: - You are notified when your buddies log on, anywhere on HECnet - You can control who can message you (i.e. buddies only) sampsa On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:46, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 10:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: El 17/01/2013, a les 16:09, sampsa at mac.com va escriure: Any interest in this type of service, i.e. something like Jabber/Gtalk but over DECNET? Aren't you reinventing PHONE? ;) Only insofar as to use it on an actual phone I hope. ;) Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

11 years, 10 months

Solaris, was Re: [HECnet] SIMH for VMS on VAX

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 01/17/2013 05:01 PM, Mark Benson wrote: I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in earlier times!) I know it's probably of little consequence, but I use an app called iTerm2 in OS X for terminals. It does a good deal better job of handling multiple terminals, reusable bookmarks etc. than Apple's POS Terminal.app ever did. Yes, it's very good. I used it a lot of the time. OS X does what I need it to (mostly desktopy Internety stuff) so I keep it. I used to double it up as a UNIX platform for compiling and running OSS stuff too but I dropped it and used Debian and derivatives on other x86 hardware instead - it just does more with less for less. That's why I moved. The desktoppy stuff works very well in the Linux world now as well. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Solaris, was Re: [HECnet] SIMH for VMS on VAX

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 17 Jan 2013, at 21:23, Dave McGuire wrote: I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in earlier times!) I know it's probably of little consequence, but I use an app called iTerm2 in OS X for terminals. It does a good deal better job of handling multiple terminals, reusable bookmarks etc. than Apple's POS Terminal.app ever did. OS X does what I need it to (mostly desktopy Internety stuff) so I keep it. I used to double it up as a UNIX platform for compiling and running OSS stuff too but I dropped it and used Debian and derivatives on other x86 hardware instead - it just does more with less for less. -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

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Solaris, was Re: [HECnet] SIMH for VMS on VAX

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 01/17/2013 04:26 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;) I love it, but I can no longer, as of just recently, get patches. Sunacle refers to post-Oracle. :p Uh, yeah, I figured that out. ;) I'm running post-Oracle-acquisition Solaris. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Solaris, was Re: [HECnet] SIMH for VMS on VAX

by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Jan 2013, at 16:23, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 01/17/2013 04:18 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;) I love it, but I can no longer, as of just recently, get patches. Sunacle refers to post-Oracle. :p (Does anyone have an account I can use? I'll be good, I promise...need it kinda badly) In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable, and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though) What did you run on your SGI gear? IRIX, of course. Wheeeeeeeee. For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it. That's great and all, and it's a great OS< but it's a really shitty match for SPARC (and Alpha) hardware. It was shoehorned into place on both platforms, something that never should've happened. Ahhh, yeah. Most of what I do involves PCs, so that'd be why it's my preference. I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in earlier times!) I once bent windows in to letting me run Cygwin apps from cmd.exe. I can't function without a terminal that functions at least somewhat like a UNIX. ;) (command-wise) I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;) Yeah, I don't see how anyone deals with that. I only use it for large drag-and-drop of dissimilar files. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Solaris, was Re: [HECnet] SIMH for VMS on VAX

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 01/17/2013 04:18 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;) I love it, but I can no longer, as of just recently, get patches. (Does anyone have an account I can use? I'll be good, I promise...need it kinda badly) In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable, and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though) What did you run on your SGI gear? IRIX, of course. For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it. That's great and all, and it's a great OS< but it's a really shitty match for SPARC (and Alpha) hardware. It was shoehorned into place on both platforms, something that never should've happened. I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) That's how I've always used graphical workstations...as a way to get a buttload of terminal windows. (that's what they were pretty much FOR in earlier times!) I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;) Yeah, I don't see how anyone deals with that. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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SIMH for VMS on VAX

by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:50, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 01/17/2013 03:42 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: On 1/17/2013 3:39 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: It does look promising. The guy working on SPARC support has run it on an astonishing array of systems. His last release was a LiveDVD, because he hadn't finished the installer yet. He was supposed to have finished that recently but hasn't; it's evidently taking longer than he expected. He's one guy with a job and a life. It's amazing he's done what he has so far! Actually from what info has been floating around, he has neither a job nor a life, outside of his work on OI. If he pulls it off, with the installer, we'll owe him a great debt of gratitude. I should try OpenIndiana I hate Sunacle Solaris with a passion. ;) He was supposed to release his installable code about three weeks ago, but didn't...not sure why. I really need to get to trying to get OmniOS built for SPARC. I couldn't really "lose interest" on this end; Solaris does *everything* around here, whether I'm interested or not, and whether Oracle is sleazy or not. I'll run something Illumos based over anything Linux based any day of the week. In server roles, I agree 100%. For workstations, it's Linux all the way with me nowadays. Since I can no longer get fast-enough SGI hardware, Apple has fucked up OS X so badly that it's (to me) unusable, and Oracle's Solaris is just so neolithic in its desktoppy stuff, it'll take a great shift of stuff to move me off of Linux. When I switched to it from OS X on the desktop 1.5 years ago, my productivity pretty much tripled. (admittedly most of that is due to the type of work I do though) What did you run on your SGI gear? For server roles I personally prefer FreeBSD, but that's just a matter of the fact I feel comfortable working with it. I'd agree with OS X being unusable now. I spend a lot of time tweaking it and making it bend over backwards to do what I want. Often involving using Terminal.app exclusively with a bunch of X apps. ;) I seriously get lost using a GUI file manager. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Multi-floor household (DECnet) routing help needed

by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:45, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On 1/17/2013 3:24 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:05,hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Two Linksys WAP54G units, that's what I'd do. The WAP54G is fairly old so may be cheap on EBay. But you're not a Linksys fan, are you? No, but from what I've recently learned, MoCa is going to be a great solution and I think it's what i'm going to go with. I ran a wifi bridge many years ago when I lived in Philly. Never worked well and then the school across the street put in a bajillion million watt APs that used EVERY FUCKING AVAILABLE CHANNEL and my bridge just stopped working completely at that point. That's when I was introduced to MoCA. 100mbit and solid. Also, latency is much lower than wireless. Also, very cheap (looking now, NIM100s are $15/each on ebay but I paid $5/each for mine) and at least here in the US coax is almost guaranteed to be in place in pretty much every house so you rarely even have to do any major wire pulls. I should probably have asked my friend who works for a local cableco instead as I lost the bid on the one. ;) At least I got a lot of 2 I'm not patient when it comes to networking. -brian

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