On 01/17/2013 02:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
If you can access its BMC to boot from DVD, then see what happens when
you execute the EFI boot file for VMS. It if can't boot, it will show
up rather quickly if VMS is not able to find support drivers and other
primordial bits and pieces to boot.
I could be arsed to give it a whirl, if you think there's any
possibility of it actually booting. I'd rather not go dig it out if
there's little chance, though.
Now, I'm aware that you're "all up in there" with VMS internals...Is
there any chance of your being able to make it run (I understand that
there'd likely be low-level driver work involved) on an unsupported
system such as this?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1/17/2013 2:49 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:18, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Mark Benson<md.benson at gmail.com> writes:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:40, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
What compilers do you need? I could possibly set them up on RHESUS..
Whatever is required to compile SimH and libpcap on VMS 8.4, I assume.
I'm intrigued to see how well the VAX simulation does on an Integrity in
= an OS that was actually deliberately ported to Itanium, not
accidentally = stuffed on there 'because'. If someone has the OpenVMS
Integrity = binaries that'd do for a start...
I assume SimH is written in 'C'. You can get a hobbyist license for VMS
from HP for Itanium. HP then gives you access to distributions as well
as PAKs for VMS and some layered products.
I have the PAK, I've had a Hobbyist PAK as long as I've had the Integrity, I need the software however...
I have the Hobbyist CDs for VAX and Alpha but no such thing seems to exist for Integrity last I checked.
If you've gotten a Hobbyist PAK recently (i.e. within the last year) then you can email the fellow at HP that sent you the PAKs and he wills end you an FTP logon to download IA64 OpenVMS 8.4 and stuff. If you haven't, then when you renew you can ask.
John H. Reinhardt
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 01/17/2013 02:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: >> On
01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote: >> Not a damn thing. ;) >> It
hasn't been powered on in about two >> years. > > For shame. >> >>
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll >> be
very happy. :) > > Which Integrity model is it???
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
;) It's an Intel SR870BN4, which I believe is the reference platform
for the Itanium2. A good friend (a fairly hardcore VMS admin) told me
rather explicitly that VMS will not run on it. That said, I've never
tried.
Yes, I'm aware of other mfgs of Itanium based systems.
Should I try? Do you have any tricks? Or can you assist otherwise?
I'd love to run VMS on it. I'll go put it in a rack *right now* if the
answer is yes.
If you can access its BMC to boot from DVD, then see what happens when
you execute the EFI boot file for VMS. It if can't boot, it will show
up rather quickly if VMS is not able to find support drivers and other
primordial bits and pieces to boot.
--
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:18, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> writes:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:40, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
What compilers do you need? I could possibly set them up on RHESUS..
Whatever is required to compile SimH and libpcap on VMS 8.4, I assume.
I'm intrigued to see how well the VAX simulation does on an Integrity in
= an OS that was actually deliberately ported to Itanium, not
accidentally = stuffed on there 'because'. If someone has the OpenVMS
Integrity = binaries that'd do for a start...
I assume SimH is written in 'C'. You can get a hobbyist license for VMS
from HP for Itanium. HP then gives you access to distributions as well
as PAKs for VMS and some layered products.
I have the PAK, I've had a Hobbyist PAK as long as I've had the Integrity, I need the software however...
I have the Hobbyist CDs for VAX and Alpha but no such thing seems to exist for Integrity last I checked.
--
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http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
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On 01/17/2013 02:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote: >> Not a damn thing. ;)
It hasn't been powered on in about two >> years. > > For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll
be very happy. :)
Which Integrity model is it???
It's not. Companies other than HP made Itanium2 machines, you know.
;) It's an Intel SR870BN4, which I believe is the reference platform
for the Itanium2. A good friend (a fairly hardcore VMS admin) told me
rather explicitly that VMS will not run on it. That said, I've never tried.
Should I try? Do you have any tricks? Or can you assist otherwise?
I'd love to run VMS on it. I'll go put it in a rack *right now* if the
answer is yes.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/17/2013 02:43 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
I know right? I'm amazed they still work!
Ahh, young'ns. ;) You're accustomed to brand-new drives dying in a
year or two. That's a relatively recent thing, designed to drive
sales figures.
Yeah. That's why belligerent bastards like me ALWAYS send 2-year old
corpses back to the manufacturer for replacement under warranty. I
ain't paying for a drive to die after 18 months when I have drives
here I bought and used 10 years ago that are still 100% working!!
Yep.
[Dave glances over at a stack of 40-year-old RK05s that work great..]
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote: >> Not a damn thing. ;) It
hasn't been powered on in about two >> years. > > For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll be
very happy. :)
Which Integrity model is it???
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 17 Jan 2013, at 17:34, Dave McGuire wrote:
I know right? I'm amazed they still work!
Ahh, young'ns. ;) You're accustomed to brand-new drives dying in a
year or two. That's a relatively recent thing, designed to drive sales
figures.
Yeah. That's why belligerent bastards like me ALWAYS send 2-year old corpses back to the manufacturer for replacement under warranty. I ain't paying for a drive to die after 18 months when I have drives here I bought and used 10 years ago that are still 100% working!!
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
Not a damn thing. ;) It hasn't been powered on in about two
years.
For shame.
Sorry, I have nothing to run on it. If you fix that problem, I'll be
very happy. :)
I installed Linux on it, but it was slower than pissing tar.
Not only that but it doesn't like working all that much, especially
when it comes to desktops and GUIs.
On Itanium you mean?
OpenVMS 8.4 (2011 version) runs like hot snot on my zx6000 :D I
wouldn't run Debian on it - it's a waste of electricity for just
another Linux box. HP-UX... well lets just say a favourite joke about
THAT was to reverse the H and the P then pronounce it as an acronym
;)
Unfortunately it doesn't run on this machine. :-( I wish it did.
And this is a quad Itanium2 with like 6GB of RAM at some ungodly
high clock speed!
Not enough RAM by a long chalk. For a 4-way Itanium you need 8GB
MINIMUM IMHO :)
That depends on what one is doing, I'd imagine. ;)
I patted my UltraSPARCs (which run at HALF that clock rate)
affectionately on that day.
I miss using my U60 but Oracle took my ball away and now I'm grumpy
:(
Huh? My UltraSPARCs still run great. I wouldn't be exchanging email
with you now if they weren't. ;) Besides, OpenIndiana is on the cusp of
having installable SPARC builds supporting just about every UltraSPARC
in existence.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1/17/2013 2:04 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:56, "John H. Reinhardt"<johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote:
On 1/17/2013 1:12 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:59, Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/17/2013 12:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Well I'm not running that anywhere, so I can't help you with that, I'm
sorry. My one Itanium2-based system will not (or so I'm told) run VMS.
What does your Itanium2 run, then?
Not a damn thing. ;) It hasn't been powered on in about two years. I
installed Linux on it, but it was slower than pissing tar.
Here's a crazy idea: Install Windows Server I64, and put a bunch of SIMH instances on it..
I have a ZX2000 with a 1.4Ghz processor and 1GB RAM that runs Windows 2000 server quite nicely. On my "To do" list is converting it to OpenVMS but first I have to get the 100GB of shared files off to another file server.
Eeeeek. 2000. If only NT 4 ran on Itanium. ;)
Well, it came with an XP install, too. ;) Pretty sure that Itanium is too new for NT. Although I did have an Alpha that ran NT at a place I once worked a long, long time ago in a galaxy far away.
My "To do" list is embarrassingly long.
John H. Reinhardt
