Would a vpn work to the other end? That way the other end would supply you an address. -Steve Davidson SF:iP1

PS just to be clear I would try plugging in the $20 Verizon ONT into Optimum or whoever’s fiber - it may just work. Otherwise we lose $20.

That's interesting.  Can you send me the make and model number of what you're talking about? I did almost the same thing with Verizon.  What I insisted on was that the ONT have an Ethernet connection and not the coax connection that it typically comes with.   Once I did that, I plugged my router in and then plugged their router into my router.  Phone worked fine.  The TV may have worked fine, but I don't really remember as neither my wife nor I ever watched it.

Keith, If you want a landline number its different. So both Zen and BT offer a landline service but it only works if you use their router. So my phone is connected to my ZEN router and my previous router is then in a downstream port in “DMZ” mode. (DMZ is a misnomer). The other issue is some Fibre ISPs use CGNAT and you have to pay for a routable IP address. With ZEN you get a single fixed IP address. Great. Dave From: Keith Halewood &lt;Keith.Halewood(a)pitbulluk.org&gt; Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 7:56 PM To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list &lt;hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se&gt; Subject: [HECnet] Re: ONT? It seems to be a bit simpler in the UK, at least as far as a few ISPs I’ve encountered. You get a a bridge connection to which you connect your router’s Ethernet WAN port. Then again, I didn’t go down the technophobe routes. K On 20 Jul 2023, at 18:53, Thomas DeBellis &lt;tommytimesharing(a)gmail.com <mailto:tommytimesharing@gmail.com> > wrote:  That's interesting. Can you send me the make and model number of what you're talking about? I did almost the same thing with Verizon. What I insisted on was that the ONT have an Ethernet connection and not the coax connection that it typically comes with. Once I did that, I plugged my router in and then plugged their router into my router. Phone worked fine. The TV may have worked fine, but I don't really remember as neither my wife nor I ever watched it. _____ On 7/19/23 9:49 PM, Supratim Sanyal wrote: I told Verizon I manage my own LAN and to connect my wall-mounted RJ45 to their WAN and they put in this ONT. it is available on eBay for around $20. I use a home-built miniPC with a PCI quad-NIC running Sophos UTM9 in a Virtualbox on Linux as the main router that does DHCP for WAN and three different subnets on the LAN side (smart home/iot, hobby lab and general purpose family subnets). I think you can just buy a ONT off eBay and be done. I believe it’s a Alcatel thing. <image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> On Jul 19, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Steve Davidson <mailto:steve@davidson.net> &lt;steve(a)davidson.net&gt; wrote:  Would a vpn work to the other end? That way the other end would supply you an address. -Steve Davidson SF:iP1 On Jul 19, 2023, at 14:07, dave.g4ugm(a)gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> wrote:  Thomas, I don’t think you can buy an ONT as I think it does some network filtering and the ISP needs to know its MAC address or similar… … this seems to confirm…. https://www.cabletv.com/optimum/compatible-modem-routers … the optimum combo is being slagged off everywhere. It appears to have no support for port mapping, I wonder if they are using CGNAT… https://www.reddit.com/r/OPTIMUM/comments/k703ni/anyone_with_fiber_experime… … elsewhere https://www.reddit.com/r/FiberOptics/comments/w81umo/just_hopped_onto_fiber… it says… You can usually request a fibre to Ethernet bridge from your ISP (Optimum does do this) and you can use your own router with an Ethernet WAN port. Dave From: Thomas DeBellis <mailto:tommytimesharing@gmail.com> &lt;tommytimesharing(a)gmail.com&gt; Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 5:47 PM To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> &lt;hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se&gt; Subject: [HECnet] ONT? I'm moving in a few days and am trying to understand what to do about connectivity without drowning (in advertising or whining). I currently have FIOS and had ordered it so that I had a separate Optical Network Terminal (ONT) and router. I plugged my own router into the ONT and the FIOS router into my router and all has been well. The Internet provider at the new location is Optimum Online which previously had been a lot easier to deal with than FIOS as you could just plug into the cable modem or get your own. Naturally, I was provided with a combo ONT/Wireless/Router solution that just isn't going to cut it. I'm trying to search for an ONT, but am getting deluged with the usual stream of noise, junk and advertising. For example, I'm getting Optical-Ethernet converters, which I don't think are what I want. Can anybody point me at a few ONT-only solutions that don't come with all the extra garbage, don't do NAT, Etc.? Or some kind of good introductory information without all the blinking ads? 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Bob, Well yes but its another device using power , that has to be purchased and configured. So my supplier Zen offer to port your number and provision it on your router for £6/month which includes 1000 mins/month. Their router has a socket you can patch into your existing phones or it can act as a DECT base station which makes providing resilience in the event of power fail easy, just power the ONT and router, my DECT phones are specified as having 10 days on standby… .. or you can get just a number from Andrews & Arnold (A&A) who have a super cheap service for £1.20/month so saving £60/year. However you need to buy hardware and the cheapest I could find looks to be around £50. If you buy from A&A more like £150 and then you need extra UPS if you want it to work in a power cut….. … so a long time before you really save…. Dave G4UGM From: Robert Armstrong &lt;bob(a)jfcl.com&gt; Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 10:50 PM To: 'The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list' &lt;hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se&gt; Subject: [HECnet] Re: ONT? If you’re willing to configure your own SIP phone, or better yet set up Asterisk, then there are any number of providers out there that offer call termination DIDs for way less than the ISPs do. We use DIDforSale.com and get two dial in numbers for about $3-4 per month. One caveat is that the calls are metered, so if you talk a lot then you’ll pay more. Bob

After a bunch more research, it turns out that running your own router (and thus controlling your public IP) with OO Fiber is almost as easy as it used to be with an OO cable modem. Previously, you didn't have to do anything at all except perhaps clone the MAC address of whatever had first been plugged into the cable modem. All you have to do now is call OO technical support and tell them that you manage your home LAN and request that the ONT be put into BYOR (Bring Your Own Router) mode.  The claim is that they 'misdocumented' this in their level one help and have since updated the material. So I did and it came right up.