Hey Tim... welcome...
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
That would be me :-) I just joined!
I have three nodes,
o. DOCMST 12.1 - Ubuntu
o. BENDER 12.2 - VMS, DECnet OSI
o. TRON 12.3 - RSTS 10.1, DECnet/E
Tim.
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sampsa at mac.com wrote:
>Just did my usual SHOW KNOW CIRC on gorvax, and saw an area 12?
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>They don't seem to be listed in the node database or MIM::DECNET.TXT..
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Hi Rob,
Yes. My VAX, BENDER, is a VMS system running DECnet-Plus (or whatever it is called this week :-). It was configured as an L1 router for a little bit after a typo (it was late when I ran the config). Once I realised my boo-boo I reconfigured to L2 :-).
Regards, Tim.
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Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Are you running some Phase V nodes? I saw some packets a couple of days ago from area 12 with a routing specification version number higher than that used by Phase IV.
Regards
Rob
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Who is Area 12?
Thanks guys. Glad to be a part of it all.
Tim.
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Peter Coghlan <HECNET at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Ah welcome to the fun :)
I'll run a node database update later once they're added.
I see we have 21 areas active in recent days. Is this the most ever?
I've never seen more than 20 in the time I've been here.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Are you running some Phase V nodes? I saw some packets a couple of days ago from area 12 with a routing specification version number higher than that used by Phase IV.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 20 December 2012 12:57
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Who is Area 12?
Thanks guys. Glad to be a part of it all.
Tim.
Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc
Peter Coghlan <HECNET at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
Ah welcome to the fun :)
I'll run a node database update later once they're added.
I see we have 21 areas active in recent days. Is this the most ever?
I've never seen more than 20 in the time I've been here.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
On 2012-12-20 19:06, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On 12/20/2012 12:14 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
I believe your Cisco should be able to do it for you, provided your
link to
any other area is directly to the Cisco. It should be able to cope
with bridge
connections and GRE tunnels for example. If you have a Multinet link,
then I
don't think it can cope with that as that has to terminate on a host
system.
A multinet tunnel would need to terminate on a VMS box that is an area
router, yes.
Can't see any reason why a normal level 1 router wouldn't work as well, as long as both nodes are in the same area.
Johnny
On 12/20/2012 1:09 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
On 2012-12-20, at 10:04 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
The cisco will be an area router if you tell it to be.
There are several of us here who have cisco's doing this, so let us know what your IP is going to be and we can setup some tunnels.
Thank you for the offer. I'll send out a request once I've got the hardware working.
Ian
No problem, config is easy. Let me know when you are ready and I'll give you a hand.
On 2012-12-20, at 10:04 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
The cisco will be an area router if you tell it to be.
There are several of us here who have cisco's doing this, so let us know what your IP is going to be and we can setup some tunnels.
Thank you for the offer. I'll send out a request once I've got the hardware working.
Ian
I believe your Cisco should be able to do it for you, provided your link to
any other area is directly to the Cisco. It should be able to cope with bridge
connections and GRE tunnels for example. If you have a Multinet link, then I
don't think it can cope with that as that has to terminate on a host system.
A multinet tunnel would need to terminate on a VMS box that is an area router, yes.
I'm not considering using Multinet, so it sounds like I can use the Cisco as the area router. Time for some experimenting.
Ian
On 12/20/2012 12:14 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
I believe your Cisco should be able to do it for you, provided your link to
any other area is directly to the Cisco. It should be able to cope with bridge
connections and GRE tunnels for example. If you have a Multinet link, then I
don't think it can cope with that as that has to terminate on a host system.
A multinet tunnel would need to terminate on a VMS box that is an area router, yes.
-brian
On 12/20/2012 12:00 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Hello all,
Question about area routers. I'm going to spend some time over the holiday break bringing some of my machines back online (I'm area 42). My current area router is making some very unsettling hard drive noises, so I'm thinking of retiring it. I recall reading somewhere that VMS Alpha is unable to be an area router - is that correct? I have a DS10L that will probably be my always-on machine.
I also have a Cisco 7206VXR router that can do DECnet. If I use a Cisco for my connectivity, do I need an area router, or does the Cisco fulfill this purpose?
The cisco will be an area router if you tell it to be.
There are several of us here who have cisco's doing this, so let us know what your IP is going to be and we can setup some tunnels.
-brian
On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Making some really good progress here.
Have a couple questions though about all this.
I'm doing 'NCP TELL foo SHOW KNOWN CIRC' and so my question about that is will all adjacent routers show up on that list?
Also, the output of 'NCP SHOW EXEC CHAR' what are all the possible values for Type?
CHIMPY shows up as 'nonrouting IV' and GORVAX shows up as 'area'. What other possible options are there?
-brian
The Network Management architecture spec answers these questions. Quoting from that document (AA-X437A-TK):
"show known circ" will give you all adjacent routers; "show known circ status" will give you all adjacent nodes of any type.
Type can be: routing iii, nonrouting iii, area, routing iv, nonrouting iv. I guess some implementations of NCP use non-standard strings (like "endnode iv"), but the 5 values I listed are the standard strings corresponding to the 5 defined codes in the NICE protocol.
A phase V node would presumably show up as if it were IV, because that's how it presents itself to the Phase IV nodes. You would see what it really is if you ask it directly (but that's a different protocol and a different command syntax entirely).
paul
