On 2012-12-26 02:34, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala, Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
We could probably host activities using the University locales, and have other fun stuff going on as well.
Johnny
That does sound cool actually, but we should do it late June / early July to get the best weather..
I'm only there late July / early August... :-)
But it might be something to consider, if some people would be interested...
Johnny
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:42, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I'm fine with providing anything that helps the project. I suggest
striving for fully-automatic operation, though, for minimal
administrative requirements. I know Peter in particular is an extremely
busy guy and may not want the additional headache.
That's OK, participation is totally optional - it just means you might get
left out of the map.
I am happy to admin the map (both automatic collection and the manual stuff)
so the "weird" equipment guys only need to send me their details once - after
that they will be added to the map each time.
sampsa
On 12/25/2012 06:45 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
I did said quick hack from STUPI to GW, here's the new router graph:
http://www.sampsa.com/just-routers.svg
So my suggestion to those with "weird" links that we can't crawl is that they provide us with two things:
- A list of their connections to the rest of HECnet (i.e. the area routers)
- A list of the end nodes that are connected to their area routers
Formats for these will follow, they're basically CSV.
Is this OK, Dave etc with CISCO gear?
I'm fine with providing anything that helps the project. I suggest
striving for fully-automatic operation, though, for minimal
administrative requirements. I know Peter in particular is an extremely
busy guy and may not want the additional headache.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 25 Dec 2012, at 20:38, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 12/25/2012 06:14 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Found the problem, STUPI isn't listing you as a known circuit:
I think the actual connection is between their Cisco routers. STUPI has
nothing to do with it and doesn't know about it.
Bob's right; these are GRE tunnels (Peter is a hard-core Cisco guru),
both to Peter and to Brian H. (who is quite sharp with Cisco stuff as
well!)
So how can we do this...I don't think IOS implements NICE, but I'm
sure its DECnet routing table can be pulled out via SNMP. Brian
(Hechinger), I can set up a read-only SNMP community and your poller
(when it discovers an appropriate router) can walk the tree, maybe? And
either Sampsa's code can parse that output, or you can reformat it into
a consistent format to hand to Sampsa? What do you think? (snmpwalk is
your friend!)
Oooooh. SNMP's an idea!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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On 12/25/2012 06:20 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
So how do we find them when crawling?
Short answer - don't know. I believe the Ciscos have DECnet node numbers
and run an NML equivalent (i.e. they respond to NCP commands) but I don't
know much about them. Sorry; I don't have one.
$ mcr ncp
NCP>tell gw list known circuits
%NCP-F-CONNEC, unable to connect to listener
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node
$
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 12/25/2012 06:14 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Found the problem, STUPI isn't listing you as a known circuit:
I think the actual connection is between their Cisco routers. STUPI has
nothing to do with it and doesn't know about it.
Bob's right; these are GRE tunnels (Peter is a hard-core Cisco guru),
both to Peter and to Brian H. (who is quite sharp with Cisco stuff as
well!)
So how can we do this...I don't think IOS implements NICE, but I'm
sure its DECnet routing table can be pulled out via SNMP. Brian
(Hechinger), I can set up a read-only SNMP community and your poller
(when it discovers an appropriate router) can walk the tree, maybe? And
either Sampsa's code can parse that output, or you can reformat it into
a consistent format to hand to Sampsa? What do you think? (snmpwalk is
your friend!)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala, Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
We could probably host activities using the University locales, and have other fun stuff going on as well.
Johnny
That does sound cool actually, but we should do it late June / early July to get the best weather..
Sampsa
On 12/25/2012 05:50 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
On 12/25/2012 02:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: >>> Will it be a problem
that all of these systems are DECnet-OSI? >> >> Clustering does not
depend on DECnet or TCP/IP! > > Really? I thought clustering over
ethernet used DECnet.
Nope...SCS, which is Systems Communications Services if memory serves.
(is that right, Brian?) Completely unrelated to DECnet.
Dunno which "Brian" you refer but SCS it is.
I initially meant you, but now I recall (half drunk at the moment)
that Brian Hechinger knows quite a lot about VMS clustering as well. :)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2012-12-26 02:27, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:16, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Actually probably time is more of an issue than money. Thinking of it, I prefer a nice place to a cheap place.
(But then again, living in Switzerland, almost any place is a cheap place in comparison...)
Well I did suggest Beirut, that place rocks...
But that didn't go down well.
Maybe the UK/US idea is the way to go.
Actually, in a way, to be honest, the cool place to go would be Uppsala, Sweden, where HECnet started, and there is way much cool hardware to fool around with.
There are PDP-11/70 machines, VAX-8650s, VAX-7000/720, DEC-2060, PDP-8, PDP-12, as well as plenty of small stuff...
We could probably host activities using the University locales, and have other fun stuff going on as well.
Johnny
On 26 Dec 2012, at 03:31, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
And I did suggest Switzerland. Nice and neutral. :-)
As well as being very central so it's not too far for anyone.
(Said half in joke, since I do realize the costs of actually staying here for a couple of days isn't cheap.)
Not a fan of CH, way too expensive and kinda dull :)
Beirut is too hardcore I guess, maybe one meet in CA and another in UK around the DEC Legacy event?
Not that I'm that fond of the UK either, hence my impending departure..
sampsa
