On Friday, April 05, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging.
Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate
speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily
enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not.
I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
FYI. Support for directly attaching host system serial ports to the simulated console or any particular line(s) of a simh multiplexer device is available in the current codebase. This functionality will work on most host systems which can build a simh simulator. See HELP DZ ATTACH for details...
- Mark
On 04/06/2013 12:53 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2013, at 21:49, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging. Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not. I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
I have read that! So...connect my Pi or a similar system up to my DECserver and connect a modem to it? ;)
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
I have discovered some interesting things: It seems this isn't a complete install. The tape image mentions "NCP.EXE" among other files I don't have but they aren't being copied. As far as I can tell, the tape /should/ be a DSC image read from the standalone DSC disk. Someone will need to dissect the tape image I think. ;)
Hello!
Oh my. Can you post your steps to restore the OS from the tape? Its
the fault of the people who built that tape remember. And would those
steps work for the other tapes?
Boot from installed 3.0:
Mount DBA2 and MSA0: FOREIGN
Run sys$system:DSC2
DSC>DBA2:=MSA0:VAXVMSRL1
Reboot.
I am not sure. Other VMS versions were installed differently. Tape sets for VMS 1.5 seem to be lacking.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2013, at 21:49, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging. Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not. I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
I have read that! So...connect my Pi or a similar system up to my DECserver and connect a modem to it? ;)
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
I have discovered some interesting things: It seems this isn't a complete install. The tape image mentions "NCP.EXE" among other files I don't have but they aren't being copied. As far as I can tell, the tape /should/ be a DSC image read from the standalone DSC disk. Someone will need to dissect the tape image I think. ;)
Hello!
Oh my. Can you post your steps to restore the OS from the tape? Its
the fault of the people who built that tape remember. And would those
steps work for the other tapes?
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 5 Apr 2013, at 21:49, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging. Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not. I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
I have read that! So...connect my Pi or a similar system up to my DECserver and connect a modem to it? ;)
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
I have discovered some interesting things: It seems this isn't a complete install. The tape image mentions "NCP.EXE" among other files I don't have but they aren't being copied. As far as I can tell, the tape /should/ be a DSC image read from the standalone DSC disk. Someone will need to dissect the tape image I think. ;)
On 05/04/2013 19:37, Clem Cole wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
BTW, please note that Algol 60 and Algol 68 are entirely different languages. Algol 68 is at least as distant from Algol 60 as Modula-2 is. The similarity in names is quite misleading.
Amen - which is why if all you want is Algol, I mentioned the awe compiler. Algol-W was Wirth's attempt at a teaching compiler when he was at Stanford and was originally in PL/360. It's a very simple language, just does Algol60 plus some small extras. From that experience he wanted a "better Algol." He would return to Europe and end up on a CDC box, which is why the original Pascal report is funky 6 bit based language. Since both Algol-W and Pascal were design to be teaching tools, not production tools, they lack support for things like separate compilation (i.e. modules and libraries).
Try three was Modula and was short lived. Second systems effect of the Pascal issues, and it was not until Modula 2 that he finally got it down to a reasonable language. Modula-3 was a tuning of Mod2 in reaction to what we become Ada.
Clem
I know you lot know how to use google, but this page has a load of stuff on Algol 60 implementations: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/ALGOL/algol60impl/
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging. Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not. I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
I have read that! So...connect my Pi or a similar system up to my DECserver and connect a modem to it? ;)
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
I know Coral66 was a DEC product. On RSX? VMS? Both?
paul
On Apr 5, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Dennis Boone wrote:
Did DEC have a compiler as a product for a while?
None of seem to think so. As I said, I asked some of the remaining guys
from the old Technical Languages team and none of us can remember an
Algol for the Vax anywhere inside of DEC. If some one did one, then it
would have been at a University.
That bit of the question was about CORAL66, not Algol.
De
Did DEC have a compiler as a product for a while?
None of seem to think so. As I said, I asked some of the remaining guys
from the old Technical Languages team and none of us can remember an
Algol for the Vax anywhere inside of DEC. If some one did one, then it
would have been at a University.
That bit of the question was about CORAL66, not Algol.
De
