On May 1, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-05-01 23:18, Clem Cole wrote:
...The Able DH's
actually could run at faster speeds than the DEC one did.
Are you sure about Able? I can't remember seeing any such thing from them. Emulex did that, though. SC02 and various incarnations. It didn't have full modem control, but enough for the common use.
Speed was better than a real DH-11 for sure, as well as just taking one slot.
How can speed be better? DH-11s had no trouble running all 16 lines at line rate -- RSTS did that routinely. In fact, RSTS systems were used at DEC as system test controllers for that reason (with a number of DH-11 controllers, or possibly DHU-11 later on, controlling the consoles of numerous systems under test).
paul
On Wed, 1 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:29 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
They are NOT my fault. I have had a massively successful day that has just
been overflowing with "win".
And my cats are perfectly-behaved.
I think you have that wrong. I believe that is purr-fectly-behaved. ;-)
Brett
On 2013-05-01 23:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
I'm not sure what terminals they used, since Cliff didn't note
that bit of trivia.
Probably the same as those starring in The KGB, the Computer and Me.
re,
/Jacob
On 1 May 2013, at 23:45, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
They are NOT my fault. I have had a massively successful day that has just
been overflowing with "win".
And my cats are perfectly-behaved.
So THERE.
Hello!
They are?
They are.
That means that an individual outside your windows right now
who has been paying them to be like that is indeed doing the right
thing.
I'm fine with that. Wherever the good behavior comes from, I don't
care...as long as it continues. :)
This still does not explain why what did happen to Jordi's setup, and
what happened to Corey, and the other stuff is still attached to you.
Well I can't say much to that, I'm afraid.
I can however!
I've been busy with finishing up the odd thing here and there along with my main side project of a late-50s/early-60s cabinet phonograph.
If I wanted to, I could theoretically rig the amp up to interface with say, any system. Perhaps even VAX gear!
(Along with a sign on your back that one of the cats just put there.)
They always do that. That's as close to "poor behavior" as they get.
How's the config for this done in VMS? I'm wiling to open a simulated line to you as a test, Jordi.
I'm assuming DEFINING a circuit in NCP?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 05/01/2013 11:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
They are NOT my fault. I have had a massively successful day that has just
been overflowing with "win".
And my cats are perfectly-behaved.
So THERE.
Hello!
They are?
They are.
That means that an individual outside your windows right now
who has been paying them to be like that is indeed doing the right
thing.
I'm fine with that. Wherever the good behavior comes from, I don't
care...as long as it continues. :)
This still does not explain why what did happen to Jordi's setup, and
what happened to Corey, and the other stuff is still attached to you.
Well I can't say much to that, I'm afraid.
(Along with a sign on your back that one of the cats just put there.)
They always do that. That's as close to "poor behavior" as they get.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:29 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
They are NOT my fault. I have had a massively successful day that has just
been overflowing with "win".
And my cats are perfectly-behaved.
So THERE.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
They are? That means that an individual outside your windows right now
who has been paying them to be like that is indeed doing the right
thing.
This still does not explain why what did happen to Jordi's setup, and
what happened to Corey, and the other stuff is still attached to you.
(Along with a sign on your back that one of the cats just put there.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 05/01/2013 11:29 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
They are NOT my fault. I have had a massively successful day that has just
been overflowing with "win".
And my cats are perfectly-behaved.
So THERE.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
This line had me chuckling. DZ were notorious for being lousy at
supporting modems because they lacked all a number of the needed RS-232
modem control lines.
Yeah -- I remember being dismayed that it didn't even have enough to power
a serial mouse. That would have been stupid fun (as it already was on the
PDT-11/150's modem port). I don't know how happy the mouse really would have
been talking to the PDP-11 over ~100' of cable, but that's part of what would
have made it stupid, and therefore, fun.
John Wilson
D Bit
Hello!
Which is one reason (of about four) that prompted me to raise the
issues concerning the PDT-11/150 on this list not too long ago. I'm
still kicking around some ideas with that particular release of E11
that I tracked down in my collection, but its slow going.
Now the interesting question, for the problem that Jordi is concerning
himself with, what release of VMS (early or later) would have
supported networking that way?
For example the campus network on (where else?) UC Berkeley was
Ethernet all over, and supported VMS on the VAX systems they ran, and
BSD (of course) but they also talked to the odd PC and a number of
Macs. I'm not sure what terminals they used, since Cliff didn't note
that bit of trivia. However to get outside of the campus he had to
mind several lines some were dial-up and a few were leased, and those
got connected to hardware for Tymnet.
I'm just throwing stuff into a very blue sky here.
--------
Incidentally all of today's problems are Dave's fault. Including that
sneaker or shoe lace you broke Corey and the fact that someone's cat
caused an expensive object to break.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
This line had me chuckling. DZ were notorious for being lousy at
supporting modems because they lacked all a number of the needed RS-232
modem control lines.
Yeah -- I remember being dismayed that it didn't even have enough to power
a serial mouse. That would have been stupid fun (as it already was on the
PDT-11/150's modem port). I don't know how happy the mouse really would have
been talking to the PDP-11 over ~100' of cable, but that's part of what would
have made it stupid, and therefore, fun.
John Wilson
D Bit
On 2013-05-01 23:18, Clem Cole wrote:
below
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
<Mark at infocomm.com <mailto:Mark at infocomm.com>> wrote:
I would work with the DZ device first. It has been tested and had
its modem related behaviors more solidly verified.
This line had me chuckling. DZ were notorious for being lousy at
supporting modems because they lacked all a number of the needed RS-232
modem control lines.
Its one of the many reasons why the UNIX community in those days, used
to recommend using Able Computer's DH/DM solution. Which was 16 serial
lines with full modem control on a single unibus board (and as described
previously used DMA and had character buffering), The Able DH's
actually could run at faster speeds than the DEC one did.
Are you sure about Able? I can't remember seeing any such thing from them. Emulex did that, though. SC02 and various incarnations. It didn't have full modem control, but enough for the common use.
Speed was better than a real DH-11 for sure, as well as just taking one slot. Really good and reliable piece.
I never experienced any actual problems with DZ-11 though, but I totally detest the thing because of performance issues.
(I probably have more DZ-11 laying around than I ever will use. DEC must have been giving them away for free...)
Johnny
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