Hi, Gerry.
On 2013-05-08 01:58, G. wrote:
On Sat, 04 May 2013 17:56:51 +0200, you wrote:
To make a short follow up on this. I have not heard anything from our
Italian friends, and I think one big reason why this have never happened
is that there never seem to have been a big interest in it.
Sorry guys for my long silence on this topic.
No worry. It's not like it would signify the end of the world.
As far as I know, I'm the only one of the Italian DECnet reading and writing
here, and I'm just a spokesman (sort of). Lately, the whole Italian DECnet is
really just a couple of nodes and is seldom used. This is due to some people
moving from one location to another (even another country) and other people
loosing interest about it or having to devote their spare time to other tasks.
In the past year, for about six months someone of us had some Cisco gear as a
DECnet router, but it's since long gone and not expected to come back.
I don't think I've seen anyone else either, but they would be very welcome if they wanted to.
As for having other things to do, I can certainly understand that one...
Moreover (don't forget the spokesman thing), someone else once said he prefers
not joining our network to another because ours is an experimental one and he
wants to feel free to fiddle with nodes and addresses, and even switch online
unknown nodes, without fear of address clashes and such. Again, another one
with limited bandwidth said that all those "hello" packets coming in every 15
seconds from as many nodes as HECnet has would be too much for him (as a
matter of fact, we have raised networkwide our "hello timer" to 90 seconds).
This really should not need to be a big problem, anymore.
The broadcast traffic was certainly an issue with the bridge (which I recall having heard before, now that you mention it), but using either a VMS machine tunneling, or a Cisco box, this becomes a non-issue.
The same goes for nodes as well. If you are all in one area, it really isn't any different than today, unless you also occasionally setup other areas. Nodes within one area is totally at the discretion of the person(s) responsible for that area, and noone else.
And having one machine act as the router to the rest of HECnet means that traffic inside the area would be no different than today. And I would hope that atleast one person would have a suitable network connection, and a machine, to act as an area router...
The conclusion is that there is no common view about joining our DECnet (or
what remains of it) to HECnet, and every time I've submitted the question to
the other members there was always someone withdrawing or pushing against it.
That part I can't offer much help on. :-)
And I can understand that it's nice to be fully in control, and with less potential for conflicts and commitments. So I don't really feel like pushing hard either, but it would be nice if you could join.
A basic difference between other people joining HECnet and us, is that (as far
as I can understand) usually others are mostly individuals who then have not
to cope with different requirements and opinions, instead we are a group made
up of very different people, scattered all over Italy, from North to South.
We'll... We're scattered around the whole world. Don't make it easier...
However, I think that it works fairly well, for some reason. Maybe because we are not trying to make much of it, but enjoy the small things working.
All in all, I just became uncle and I have something else to think about! :)
For what is worth, I'm personally very grateful to all who think about us and
I'll continue to read and write here every time I can!
Hey! Congratulations. And whenever you feel like it, you can just request an area, and hook up with the rest of us. It would be fun. ;-)
Johnny
On 2013-05-08 03:36, Connor Youngquist wrote:
Hello,
I would like to request area 32 for my usage. I've been watching HECnet
for a while now, and I'm ready to jump in and start learning. Cory has
mentioned that he will assist me in setting up the proper connections.
So noted.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of G.
Sent: 08 May 2013 00:58
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
On Sat, 04 May 2013 17:56:51 +0200, you wrote:
To make a short follow up on this. I have not heard anything from our
Italian friends, and I think one big reason why this have never
happened is that there never seem to have been a big interest in it.
Sorry guys for my long silence on this topic.
As far as I know, I'm the only one of the Italian DECnet reading and
writing
here, and I'm just a spokesman (sort of). Lately, the whole Italian DECnet
is
really just a couple of nodes and is seldom used. This is due to some
people
moving from one location to another (even another country) and other
people loosing interest about it or having to devote their spare time to
other
tasks.
In the past year, for about six months someone of us had some Cisco gear
as
a DECnet router, but it's since long gone and not expected to come back.
Moreover (don't forget the spokesman thing), someone else once said he
prefers not joining our network to another because ours is an experimental
one and he wants to feel free to fiddle with nodes and addresses, and even
switch online unknown nodes, without fear of address clashes and such.
Again, another one with limited bandwidth said that all those "hello"
packets
coming in every 15 seconds from as many nodes as HECnet has would be too
much for him (as a matter of fact, we have raised networkwide our "hello
timer" to 90 seconds).
I have a solution for this one with the user mode DECnet router I wrote. :-)
If Italy used it and someone on HECnet you peered with used it, then all the
hellos from the rest of HECnet could disappear. If there was not too much
traffic between Italy and the rest of HECnet I would be happy to be the
peer, just remember it is my domestic broadband that would be being used.
Regards
Rob
The conclusion is that there is no common view about joining our DECnet
(or
what remains of it) to HECnet, and every time I've submitted the question
to
the other members there was always someone withdrawing or pushing
against it.
A basic difference between other people joining HECnet and us, is that (as
far as I can understand) usually others are mostly individuals who then
have
not to cope with different requirements and opinions, instead we are a
group made up of very different people, scattered all over Italy, from
North
to South.
All in all, I just became uncle and I have something else to think about!
:) For
what is worth, I'm personally very grateful to all who think about us and
I'll
continue to read and write here every time I can!
Bye, :)
G. (Bologna - Italy)
Hello,
I would like to request area 32 for my usage. I've been watching HECnet for a while now, and I'm ready to jump in and start learning. Cory has mentioned that he will assist me in setting up the proper connections.
- Connor Youngquist
On 05/07/2013 07:58 PM, G. wrote:
...
The conclusion is that there is no common view about joining our DECnet (or
what remains of it) to HECnet, and every time I've submitted the question to
the other members there was always someone withdrawing or pushing against it.
...
This is all very understandable, if unfortunate.
All in all, I just became uncle and I have something else to think about! :)
Congratulations!! :-)
For what is worth, I'm personally very grateful to all who think about us and
I'll continue to read and write here every time I can!
I'm certain the Italian DECnet crew is welcome in the HECnet community
whether the networks are joined or not.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 04 May 2013 17:56:51 +0200, you wrote:
To make a short follow up on this. I have not heard anything from our
Italian friends, and I think one big reason why this have never happened
is that there never seem to have been a big interest in it.
Sorry guys for my long silence on this topic.
As far as I know, I'm the only one of the Italian DECnet reading and writing
here, and I'm just a spokesman (sort of). Lately, the whole Italian DECnet is
really just a couple of nodes and is seldom used. This is due to some people
moving from one location to another (even another country) and other people
loosing interest about it or having to devote their spare time to other tasks.
In the past year, for about six months someone of us had some Cisco gear as a
DECnet router, but it's since long gone and not expected to come back.
Moreover (don't forget the spokesman thing), someone else once said he prefers
not joining our network to another because ours is an experimental one and he
wants to feel free to fiddle with nodes and addresses, and even switch online
unknown nodes, without fear of address clashes and such. Again, another one
with limited bandwidth said that all those "hello" packets coming in every 15
seconds from as many nodes as HECnet has would be too much for him (as a
matter of fact, we have raised networkwide our "hello timer" to 90 seconds).
The conclusion is that there is no common view about joining our DECnet (or
what remains of it) to HECnet, and every time I've submitted the question to
the other members there was always someone withdrawing or pushing against it.
A basic difference between other people joining HECnet and us, is that (as far
as I can understand) usually others are mostly individuals who then have not
to cope with different requirements and opinions, instead we are a group made
up of very different people, scattered all over Italy, from North to South.
All in all, I just became uncle and I have something else to think about! :)
For what is worth, I'm personally very grateful to all who think about us and
I'll continue to read and write here every time I can!
Bye, :)
G. (Bologna - Italy)
On 2013-05-07 21:38, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:37, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-05-07 21:36, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:35, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
So... Log out from port 1! How do you expect it to be able to change while being logged in?
Johnny
Doing this over telnet, nothing's connected to any of the ports anymore.
Hint: "Port 1: foo" is an indication that it is logged in.
Try SHOW USERS
Johnny
OK. Well, I'll leave port 1 as a management port and use 2-4 as the console ports :)
You could just log it out. From any port, when you are privileged:
LOGOUT PORT 1
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-05-07 21:36, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:35, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
So... Log out from port 1! How do you expect it to be able to change while being logged in?
Johnny
Doing this over telnet, nothing's connected to any of the ports anymore.
Hint: "Port 1: foo" is an indication that it is logged in.
Try SHOW USERS
Johnny
On 2013-05-07 21:33, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:30, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:28, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Did you remember to tell for the service, which terminal port it should use? Did you remember to, on that port, set access to remote?
AHHHHH I forgot the access = remote bit.
I'll probably migrate from the 200 to the 300 tomorrow. It's a cool little box and the fact I can telnet to it is a plus.
sampsa
WTF:
Local> define port 1 access remote
Local> set port 1 access remote
Local -729- Parameter cannot be modified by a SET or CHANGE command
Then:
Local> show port 1
Port 1: foo Server: LAT_08002B1BDF1D
Character Size: 8 Input Speed: 9600
Flow Control: XON Output Speed: 9600
Parity: None Signal Control: Disabled
Stop Bits: Dynamic
Access: Local Local Switch: None
Backwards Switch: None Name: PORT_1
Break: Local Session Limit: 4
Forwards Switch: None Type: Ansi
Default Protocol: LAT
Preferred Service: None
Authorized Groups: 0
(Current) Groups: 0
Enabled Characteristics:
Autoprompt, Broadcast, Failover, Input Flow Control, Lock,
Loss Notification, Message Codes, Output Flow Control,
Remote Modification, Verification
So... Log out from port 1! How do you expect it to be able to change while being logged in?
Johnny
On 2013-05-07 21:25, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 7 May 2013, at 21:24, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-05-07 21:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Got telnet running, but I can't figure out how to configure incoming LAT ports.
The syntax LOOKS the same as on the DS200 but it's not working, says service not offered.
Not sure what you are trying to do. The DS300 works exactly like the DS200.
Johnny
Define three services, K1CON, K2CON and SIICON, on ports 1,2,3 respectively, with a password.
These are the OPA0 ports of some physical machines I have here.
So you want a LAT service to be presented called K1CON, which, if you connect to it, directs you out on serial port 1 of the terminal server?
Shouldn't be a problem...
Did you remember to tell for the service, which terminal port it should use? Did you remember to, on that port, set access to remote?
And update both the permanent and the current configuration?
Johnny
