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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: TU78 (1600/6250 bpi) in that case. Thanks for refresher - indeed - these were TU78s

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Apparently utilities were included to write the image to the frontend filesystem. Yeah - I remember Sam grousing about how crude it alls was. I'm pretty sure he had his fingers in writing them. I know he used to come over to use the console on Sprite to test - as I said - we had hardware no one else on campus had.

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Dreaded Question: Licenses for Tru64?

by md.benson＠gmail.com

I know there's no Hobbyist scheme, but does anyone have any method of licensing Tru64? I have a nice shiny copy of 5.1B-2 that I got in the post and have installed on my PWS500au (don't panic, it's on a disk in the SBB shelf, I haven't overwritten OpenVMS!!). Is there any way to get a license (say, UNIX-WORKSTATION) for Tru64 and possibly also the LVM license? -- Mark Benson http://DECtec.info Twitter: @DECtecInfo HECnet: STAR69::MARK Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-17 22:04, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote: Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: QNA is not the only horrible Ethernet interface DEC designed. The CNA (for the Pro bus) is.... Oh great, now what am I gonna do with my PRO-380?? :-) P/OS does support the CNA. And hopefully, some day DECnet/E will do likewise. Just not yet. I want to do it, but I only have about 10% of the necessary work completed. You have parts of RSTS/E running on the PRO? That would be pretty cool. Now, if I could only locate the sources for the PRO devices drivers under RSX, as well as the firmware, I could consider trying to release a new version of P/OS... ;-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-17 21:48, Bob Armstrong wrote: Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: QNA is not the only horrible Ethernet interface DEC designed. The CNA (for the Pro bus) is.... Oh great, now what am I gonna do with my PRO-380?? :-) Send it my way? :-) Especially if it has a CNA. I have a -380 with the bitmap and extra memory, but no ethernet. It's occasionally been on HECnet, but using a serial line connection. (BEA::) FWIW, the DEQNA (M7504) does have an 8051 - it's at the back, next to the handle and the three LEDs. Saw Paul speculate on that one. I have no idea myself, and I have always been under the impression that the darn thing was done in discrete logic. Oh well... :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-17 21:45, Clem Cole wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net <mailto:b4 at gewt.net>> wrote: How were the VAX BSDs installed then? Standalone bootloader on a floppy? Often - that was the way. There were TU58 tapes and floppies from Evans Hall that can with your 4.1BSD tapes that did the cold boot. That code contained enough of a system to talk to the tape drive. It would make sense. But I never saw such a thing with the MtXinu dist I had, which forced me to type the code in that was in the manual. :-) Maybe it got lost/mislaid or MtXinu differed... Before Kriddle and Asa would form MtXinu, a bunch of us in Cory Hall hacked to a raw boot system, and I do not remember why. IIRC it was Asa Romberger that did that hack, and he might have done it originally for IngVax. I do remember Bob would come to test it on one of my 780's (Sprite - aka UCBCAD) because we have newer/fancier/self threading 9-tracks with vacuum columns (model number escapes me) than we had in Evan. Most likely a TU77 (800/1600 bpi) or TU78 (1600/6250 bpi) in that case. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 17, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote: Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: QNA is not the only horrible Ethernet interface DEC designed. The CNA (for the Pro bus) is.... Oh great, now what am I gonna do with my PRO-380?? :-) P/OS does support the CNA. And hopefully, some day DECnet/E will do likewise. Just not yet. I want to do it, but I only have about 10% of the necessary work completed. FWIW, the DEQNA (M7504) does have an 8051 - it's at the back, next to the handle and the three LEDs. Interesting. I wonder what it does. I would think some control functions -- an 8051 isn't fast enough to be involved in the packet handling itself. paul

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by b4＠gewt.net

On 17 May 2013, at 15:45, "Clem Cole" <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: How were the VAX BSDs installed then? Standalone bootloader on a floppy? Often - that was the way. There were TU58 tapes and floppies from Evans Hall that can with your 4.1BSD tapes that did the cold boot. That code contained enough of a system to talk to the tape drive. The Design and Implementation book would agree. ;) Apparently utilities were included to write the image to the frontend filesystem. Before Kriddle and Asa would form MtXinu, a bunch of us in Cory Hall hacked to a raw boot system, and I do not remember why. IIRC it was Asa Romberger that did that hack, and he might have done it originally for IngVax. I do remember Bob would come to test it on one of my 780's (Sprite - aka UCBCAD) because we have newer/fancier/self threading 9-tracks with vacuum columns (model number escapes me) than we had in Evan. We had 3 780s (Coke, Sprite and Tab) in the CAD group, but big (Sprite) was one donated by DEC and was one of the only ones on campus that did not have a lot of "foreign" hardware in it - so Sam Leffler, Bob and I would use it to do tests when we wanted to make sure the "Pure Maynard" stuff still worked.

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Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by bob＠jfcl.com

Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: QNA is not the only horrible Ethernet interface DEC designed. The CNA (for the Pro bus) is.... Oh great, now what am I gonna do with my PRO-380?? :-) FWIW, the DEQNA (M7504) does have an 8051 - it's at the back, next to the handle and the three LEDs. Bob

12 years

Which DECnet interfaces support remote, unattended, booting?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: How were the VAX BSDs installed then? Standalone bootloader on a floppy? Often - that was the way. There were TU58 tapes and floppies from Evans Hall that can with your 4.1BSD tapes that did the cold boot. That code contained enough of a system to talk to the tape drive. Before Kriddle and Asa would form MtXinu, a bunch of us in Cory Hall hacked to a raw boot system, and I do not remember why. IIRC it was Asa Romberger that did that hack, and he might have done it originally for IngVax. I do remember Bob would come to test it on one of my 780's (Sprite - aka UCBCAD) because we have newer/fancier/self threading 9-tracks with vacuum columns (model number escapes me) than we had in Evan. We had 3 780s (Coke, Sprite and Tab) in the CAD group, but big (Sprite) was one donated by DEC and was one of the only ones on campus that did not have a lot of "foreign" hardware in it - so Sam Leffler, Bob and I would use it to do tests when we wanted to make sure the "Pure Maynard" stuff still worked.

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