I have a copy. I'll forward this to Al.
BTW, I spoke too soon when I said they convert fine to PDF. About half do. The other half produce blank pages. The reason appears to be that Distiller can't cope with LaTeX output that uses bitmap fonts, which a number of those specs use.
paul
On Sep 9, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com<mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
That is really interesting, I will download the lot when I get home at the end of the week. Have you got a copy in case it disappears before then? Have you sent a link to Al Kossow at bitsavers?
Regards
Rob
On 9 September 2013 18:03, <Paul_Koning at dell.com<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
Gents,
A kind former colleague sent me a copy of the Phase V Routing spec. The cover listed the order number for that document (which looked nothing like what I remembered). Google found a few hits for that string.
One of the hits is an FTP server: ftp://avaloni.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/standards/DEC/ -- which appears to have the whole set, in PostScript form. Adobe Acrobat Distiller readily converts those to PDF.
paul
That is really interesting, I will download the lot when I get home at the end of the week. Have you got a copy in case it disappears before then? Have you sent a link to Al Kossow at bitsavers?
Regards
Rob
On 9 September 2013 18:03, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
Gents,
A kind former colleague sent me a copy of the Phase V Routing spec. The cover listed the order number for that document (which looked nothing like what I remembered). Google found a few hits for that string.
One of the hits is an FTP server: ftp://avaloni.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/standards/DEC/ -- which appears to have the whole set, in PostScript form. Adobe Acrobat Distiller readily converts those to PDF.
paul
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 11:22:43AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/08/2013 10:23 AM, Mark Darvill wrote:
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near
future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act as a peer?
Johnny
V11.1 supports GRE, Decnet IV Level 1 and 2 so I am hoping so. :-)
Brian can get you hooked up with his automatic meshed-tunnel config
generator, when he catches up on list mail.
Things have been very busy, but I will try to get this dealt with this
week. I'm actually moving everything to a new colo box so this will
coincide with everyone needing to change the IP they allow SNMP to come
from.
Mark, as soon as I've moved everything I'll let you know what you need
to do.
-brian
Gents,
A kind former colleague sent me a copy of the Phase V Routing spec. The cover listed the order number for that document (which looked nothing like what I remembered). Google found a few hits for that string.
One of the hits is an FTP server: ftp://avaloni.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/standards/DEC/ -- which appears to have the whole set, in PostScript form. Adobe Acrobat Distiller readily converts those to PDF.
paul
On 8 Sep 2013, at 11:58, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Darvill
Sent: 08 September 2013 16:19
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up
following these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-
199909/cd2/network/decbrom
a.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or
more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial
lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think
anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware
router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a
lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to
route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind
my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to
encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected
router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I
can
then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or
DECbrouter.
Thanks, Mark
Ah, I think I get it now I didn't realise it could do this. So it might be
another way for me to get onto HECnet using some real hardware, it might be
fun to try that. I have a DEChub to put one of these into.
Do all DECbrouter models do this? Or might I need a firmware update?
I think I want a DECbrouter to play with now.
Regards
Rob
On 8/09/2013 11:58 PM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Darvill
Sent: 08 September 2013 16:19
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up
following these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-
199909/cd2/network/decbrom
a.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or
more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial
lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think
anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware
router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a
lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to
route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind
my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to
encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected
router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I
can
then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or
DECbrouter.
Thanks, Mark
Ah, I think I get it now I didn't realise it could do this. So it might be
another way for me to get onto HECnet using some real hardware, it might be
fun to try that. I have a DEChub to put one of these into.
Do all DECbrouter models do this? Or might I need a firmware update?
Hi Rob,
Yeah, the DECbrouters can do it. Cisco say that you need 11.0 as a base to do GRE/IP, but 10.3 works fine. I do have a router with 9.17 loaded, but that is not currently with me. I doubt that it has support for GRE/IP though. You can pick up the IOS images I have here:
ftp://ftp.endlesssoftware.com.au/pub/misc/ios
or via HTTP:
http://ftp.endlesssoftware.com.au/misc/ios
Regards, Tim.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Darvill
Sent: 08 September 2013 16:19
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up
following these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-
199909/cd2/network/decbrom
a.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or
more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial
lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think
anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware
router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a
lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to
route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind
my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to
encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected
router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I
can
then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or
DECbrouter.
Thanks, Mark
Ah, I think I get it now I didn't realise it could do this. So it might be
another way for me to get onto HECnet using some real hardware, it might be
fun to try that. I have a DEChub to put one of these into.
Do all DECbrouter models do this? Or might I need a firmware update?
Regards
Rob
On 09/08/2013 11:51 AM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 16:32, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/08/2013 11:18 AM, Mark Darvill wrote:
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco
or DECbrouter.
I mourn the death of the question mark.
Here's an example from my configuration. We'll need to wait for Brian
to get you worked into the database though.
interface Tunnel54
description HECnet tunnel for Peter Lothberg Reston VA (Area 59)
[Version:195]
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source BVI1
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
tunnel path-mtu-discovery
-Dave
Thanks Dave ?
;)
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 08/09/2013 16:32, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/08/2013 11:18 AM, Mark Darvill wrote:
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco
or DECbrouter.
I mourn the death of the question mark.
Here's an example from my configuration. We'll need to wait for Brian
to get you worked into the database though.
interface Tunnel54
description HECnet tunnel for Peter Lothberg Reston VA (Area 59)
[Version:195]
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source BVI1
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
tunnel path-mtu-discovery
-Dave
Thanks Dave ?
Mark
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Yes would be very interested if you can find an image, that would allow me to have the DECbrouter purely as an L1/L2 router for playing with and leave the 1800 for the permanent peer links.
Thanks, Mark
