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by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

What kind of problems do you expect? If the DTSS clerk doesn't get information from any server it doesn't do anything but complain about it. Kari On 29.9.2013 13:39, Mark Wickens wrote: Malcolm has asked a question about DTSS which I'm not familiar with - does anyone know the answer? Regards, Mark. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: DTSS (stuck?). Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:36:34 +0000 From: Malcolm Blunden <malcolm_blunden at hotmail.com> To: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Hi Mark! Do you know anyone with experience of DTSS? On Bernd Ulmann's machine, FASOLT, DTSS$CLERK is stuck in LEF, apparently waiting for something that will never happen, and has come up like that through at least two consecutive reboots. I don't know whether he doesn't know how to fix it or hasn't noticed. I don't like to bother him because I know he is very busy, so I'd prefer to be able to offer some suggestions before raising the matter. My own experience, such as it is, is only that DTSS is a nice idea when it works but a real pain when it doesn't. If it isn't fixed before the last Sunday in October, it will cause a slight problem. Any ideas? Regards, Malcolm.

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes: On 2013-09-29 23:53, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes: This is a little bit unfair for the blue guys :) =20 ISPF is far more than a set of screens to invoke TSO commands. The = panels (that's how ISPF screens are called) are just a part of the whole = thing. ISPF integrates with TSO, so we are talking about: =20 - The TSO command language (CLIST language) and also the REXX = language. - The panel facility. - The skeleton facility. =20 It is quite easy to "simulate" the ISPF panels (you just need DCL to = do it, I did it when I worked with DEC machines in a mostly IBM-centric = company), but that would be just the user interface. The APIs provided = with ISPF are way beyond that... I was planning on developing a simple format for defining the panels, = mapping the options to DCL and any params / switches they need. I am = aware that ISPF can be used for way more than the basic IDE / sysop = functions that it comes with by default, don't some ISVs actually build = their software using ISPF panels as the interface? I just thought a IBM mainframe lookalike interface to VMS would be = amusing if nothing else. It's not amuzing; nor are the myriad absurd DCL menuing interfaces I've seen implemented at all too many sites over the years. If you really want to implement a menu interface on VMS, have a look-see into the SMG$ library. Roll-your-own ESCAPE sequences called out in DCL command procedures leads to problems with terminal compatibility, as well as horrors when trying to debug[*] and maintain it. Apart from the SMG$ library, he might want to play with FMS. But I agree with you that I personally don't find it amusing at all. Save that FMS is a layered product, that too could be a good choice. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-30 12:38, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 30 Sep 2013, at 11:32, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote: There isn't actually a license for ALL-IN-1 in the hobbyist packs. What you're seeing is license for clients rather than the application itself. Oh bummer, I'd love an office suite on my VAXcluster :) As for the mail integration, I could live with just Mail-11, CHIMPY is an SMTP gateway anyhow.. I have this mad idea about doing this in RSX as well, eventually... :-) Oh yeah, in case people didn't know, CHIMPY:: will gate mail between HECnet and SMTP. To send mail out, address it to CHIMPY::"foo at example.com" Your incoming address will be "hostname::user"@chimpymail.com - some email clients don't like the double quotes though, but I think this will keep inbound spam near 0. The gate has been running for years and I've not seen anything :) There is atleast two such gateways. This is a typical thing that should be documented somewhere. I guess I should do that... The other one I know of is LEGATO::SMTP%"user at host" and from the outside user at hecnetnode.decnet.org, so you could reach me at billquist at mim.decnet.org if you want to... Do we have any more such resources? Johnny

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 30/09/2013, a les 11:32, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> va escriure: I have a soft spot for ALL-IN-1 as I got quite familiar with it when I was working for British Gas and for the most part it worked well. Didn't play nicely with any other software very well. I have installed it on several VAXEN and it isn't too much of a PITA standalone. It is the integration with SMTP mail and other mail systems where I've always failed to get it working. Was funny sending some emails to comp.os.vms with it however. Got everyone's backs up with the overly verbose headers - INTERNAL MEMORANDUM etc. Proper old school ;) Yes, the funny part is the integration with VMS mail and SMTP. By the way, it is quite easier to do with Multinet (it includes an ALLIN1 gateway) than with UCX. BITXOW runs ALLIN1, but I would not really want to install (and configure) it again :) Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 30 Sep 2013, at 11:32, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote: There isn't actually a license for ALL-IN-1 in the hobbyist packs. What you're seeing is license for clients rather than the application itself. Oh bummer, I'd love an office suite on my VAXcluster :) As for the mail integration, I could live with just Mail-11, CHIMPY is an SMTP gateway anyhow.. Oh yeah, in case people didn't know, CHIMPY:: will gate mail between HECnet and SMTP. To send mail out, address it to CHIMPY::"foo at example.com" Your incoming address will be "hostname::user"@chimpymail.com - some email clients don't like the double quotes though, but I think this will keep inbound spam near 0. The gate has been running for years and I've not seen anything :)

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 30/09/2013 08:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 30/09/2013, a les 9:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: On 30 Sep 2013, at 08:22, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: After thinking a little bit more, there is already a DEC equivalent to iSPF, complete with its panels, menuing system, file template system and (weird) scripting language. I'm thinking about ALLIN1 ;) I'd _LOVE_ to run ALLIN1 on my VAX cluster, as the hobbyist licenses apparently include a PAK for it. But I gather it's rather painful to install? It is. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES There isn't actually a license for ALL-IN-1 in the hobbyist packs. What you're seeing is license for clients rather than the application itself. I have a soft spot for ALL-IN-1 as I got quite familiar with it when I was working for British Gas and for the most part it worked well. Didn't play nicely with any other software very well. I have installed it on several VAXEN and it isn't too much of a PITA standalone. It is the integration with SMTP mail and other mail systems where I've always failed to get it working. Was funny sending some emails to comp.os.vms with it however. Got everyone's backs up with the overly verbose headers - INTERNAL MEMORANDUM etc. Proper old school ;) Mark. -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 29/09/2013, a les 23:06, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> va escriure: To work behind a NAT box you'll need to be able to pass SNMP and GRE through to the DECbrouter. If you can do that you'll be golden. You can setup a ssh tunnel using vde, but then you will be linking both LANs at the data-link layer (you will be bridging into your home LAN, which can not be desirable). Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 30/09/2013, a les 9:17, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: On 30 Sep 2013, at 08:22, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: After thinking a little bit more, there is already a DEC equivalent to iSPF, complete with its panels, menuing system, file template system and (weird) scripting language. I'm thinking about ALLIN1 ;) I'd _LOVE_ to run ALLIN1 on my VAX cluster, as the hobbyist licenses apparently include a PAK for it. But I gather it's rather painful to install? It is. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Ha! Every time felt like the beginning! Van: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Verzonden: maandag 30 september 2013 09:15 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :) El 29/09/2013, a les 22:26, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> va escriure: It is good fun but those panels kept me well away from IBM systems. AIX had something similar as an aid to system managers. I forgot its name but it was a blessing because the shell commands were beyond human comprehension... Oh, it is not that bad. It's a little bit like the Necromongers conversion in Chronicles of Riddick: it hurts just at the beginning. :) Van: Sampsa Laine Verzonden: zondag 29 september 2013 20:36 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :) Not sure how many of you guys know about the "simple" user interface that IBM developed for using TSO ("time sharing option", the interactive bit of MVS / OS/390 / z/OS) and it's called ISPF. It's basically a set of screens that invoke TSO commands on behalf of the user (mostly to compile / link programs, which is insanely complex on IBM systems for some reason). Anyway, I thought it might be amusing to write an ISPF clone and deploy it on CHIMPY - because I'm lazy I'm going to do it in Python (so it prob will never run on a VAX), but I'll let you guys know when it's finished. Basically I think I'll just define a "Panel Language" that is used to describe the menu and what DCL command to run if that option is chosen. If I feel particularly ambitious I might include 3270-like cursor key navigation of the panels as well :) NOTE: This is not a serious endeavour, more of a "wouldn't it be funny if this looked like a mainframe" type idea.. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Humour value alternative to DCL - a port OS/390 ISPF to VMS :)

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 30 Sep 2013, at 08:22, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: After thinking a little bit more, there is already a DEC equivalent to iSPF, complete with its panels, menuing system, file template system and (weird) scripting language. I'm thinking about ALLIN1 ;) I'd _LOVE_ to run ALLIN1 on my VAX cluster, as the hobbyist licenses apparently include a PAK for it. But I gather it's rather painful to install? sampsa

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