>Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 09:36 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Another MACRO project was to add additional variants
to the nine KED variants that DEC supports for RT-11
and RSTS/E. DEC supports the VT100, the VT52 and
the VT62. I added the VT420 which supports more than
24 lines as I mentioned in my last post. Having a "terminal"
with 44 lines was a huge advantage when I started to enhance
SDHX.SYS, as I find when I type this post under Netscape
and have about 36 lines in additional to all the tool bars.
What I'm curious about is why EDT never appeared under RT-11. (or did
it?) KED is respectable, but EDT is pure heaven.
While RT-11 distributions always included a file named "EDIT.SAV"
(or at least the ones I checked starting at V1 of RT-11 and ending
at V05.07 of RT-11), the last official release of TECO was in V04.00
of RT-11 (and the identical file was also included in the V05.00 and
the V05.07 releases).
The first release of KED that I can find was with V04.00 of RT-11
in 1980. Thereafter, Ked.SAV was always included in every release.
As for EDT, I have heard of it, but never found any details. Is there
a LINK you can provide to a manual for EDT? Briefly, what
additional features did EDT support over KED? If there were so
many extra features, please pick just 3 or even 2 from EDT that you
especially found to be so much of an improvement over KED?
I know that the standard DEC Ked.SAV release has a very small
cut / paste buffer which I have extended to over 16 KB along with
a working buffer of 22 KB. That can easily be changed back and
forth as needed if a user requires one of the buffers to be much larger.
At one point, although I knew how to define a MACRO (LEARN),
it was not clear how easy it was to execute that MACRO as many
times as I wanted to, so I no longer need to use TECO for even
complicated repeat things.
The HELP screens were not much help since they did not show the
current status of variable things such as:
(a) The names of OPEN files
(b) The current search string
(c) The current search settings
Since I added support to Ked.SAV for the VT420 with more than
24 lines (the new variant name is K42.SAV), I find K42 to be much
more useful. It can also handle up to 255 columns, although even
under the Win32 variant of Ersatz-11, the maximum my video card
and monitor will support is 69 lines by 199 columns. Since I almost
always prefer to use the DOS variant of Ersatz-11, I normally use the
largest screen sizes which my video card supports in FULL SCREEN:
50 lines by 80 columns
44 lines by 132 columns
As for the size of a file, KED can handle an input file of up to 16 MB
and an output file of up to 16 MB.
And what is the single feature under EDT which you like the most
which KED does not support?
Jerome Fine
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
(Seriously. I can't run unzip or tar...but I can run pico!)
PICO? I wouldn't mind a copy of that for HILANT, it's a great little simple editor.
Yeah. It really is. I'll upload it after I toss the VAXstation on the UPS in ~10 minutes or so if not less.
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
Sweet! :-)
I'm thinking I'll stick with VMS 6.2. With patches.
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Sweet! :-)
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New Kensington, PA
On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
There! Got it!
$ sh us/fu
OpenVMS User Processes at 2-OCT-2013 21:49:32.06
Total number of users = 1, number of processes = 2
Username Process Name PID Terminal
SYSTEM SYSTEM 0000010C OPA0:
SYSTEM _TNA1: 00000117 TNA1: (Host: 10.10.10.21 Port: 41690 )
$ sh sys
OpenVMS V6.2 on node MOIRA 2-OCT-2013 21:49:35.82 Uptime 0 00:31:27
I can only run included editors...or pico. All of the others were built for newer VMS. ;)
(Seriously. I can't run unzip or tar...but I can run pico!)
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There! Got it!
$ sh us/fu
OpenVMS User Processes at 2-OCT-2013 21:49:32.06
Total number of users = 1, number of processes = 2
Username Process Name PID Terminal
SYSTEM SYSTEM 0000010C OPA0:
SYSTEM _TNA1: 00000117 TNA1: (Host: 10.10.10.21 Port: 41690 )
$ sh sys
OpenVMS V6.2 on node MOIRA 2-OCT-2013 21:49:35.82 Uptime 0 00:31:27
I can only run included editors...or pico. All of the others were built for newer VMS. ;)
(Seriously. I can't run unzip or tar...but I can run pico!)
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hello!
Okay. I'll think about it.
Nice line of reasoning off list you sent me......
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
After discussions with Dave, I've realised that DECTEC already provides a similar "random chatter" function, so will kill the Google Group as it's unnecessary.
I recommend everyone joins DECTEC though: http://dectec.info
sampsa
After discussions with Dave, I've realised that DECTEC already provides a similar "random chatter" function, so will kill the Google Group as it's unnecessary.
I recommend everyone joins DECTEC though: http://dectec.info
sampsa
Hello!
Right.
The group you mentioned however is busy......
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 3 Oct 2013, at 02:20, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
I agree. So far my posts have left out that problem and it will stay that way.
Sampsa ignore my posting to that group of yours, and well do with it
what you want..............
However the other problem is one of venting the occasional need for an
off topic example of wit.
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HECnet.random is DESIGNED for random wit and tangential stories about yetis etc.
I just think the people on the main HECnet group are an intelligent, friendly and pragmatic bunch, and would love to have a more social venue to talk with them, rather than annoy BQT :)
On 3 Oct 2013, at 02:20, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
I agree. So far my posts have left out that problem and it will stay that way.
Sampsa ignore my posting to that group of yours, and well do with it
what you want..............
However the other problem is one of venting the occasional need for an
off topic example of wit.
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HECnet.random is DESIGNED for random wit and tangential stories about yetis etc.
I just think the people on the main HECnet group are an intelligent, friendly and pragmatic bunch, and would love to have a more social venue to talk with them, rather than annoy BQT :)
