Hello!
I agree. So far my posts have left out that problem and it will stay that way.
Sampsa ignore my posting to that group of yours, and well do with it
what you want..............
However the other problem is one of venting the occasional need for an
off topic example of wit.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-03 01:51, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 07:48 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
We really don't need ANOTHER one. We have plenty. The one where
we all want to talk is the one where talking is not welcome, and
the one that was created specifically FOR talking is the one we
never use.
Lack of a list is not the problem here.
Ironic really. But I suppose we could encourage people to sign up to
Dectek, if the Random list gets no traffic I'll just delete it.
I don't run mailman on my mail server (and am nowhere near it, SSH
over 3G sucks) so this was the simplest setup.
Don't get me wrong, I (and others I'm sure) appreciate the thought.
It's just that the lack of a list really isn't the issue. Either this
list has to become more hospitable to the friendly chatting that every
one of us very obviously wants to do, or we have to move that friendly
chatting to the other list and get into the habit of keeping it there.
Shit...at this rate it'd be easier to make THIS the "friendly
chatting" list for the socialization of the group of friends that have
formed around HECnet, and create a separate list for zero-noise hecnet
operations traffic.
Johnny? Your thoughts?
That will not happen. People are subscribe to hecnet for it is the forum
about hecnet, decnet and dec computers. In a wider scope, other relics can
also be somewhat on topic.
Changing the purpose of this list does not make sense for the majority. And
I would unsubscribe everyone before retargeting the list.
The majority of people subscribed are not posting much. Also, I try to keep
a very tight ship, so that spammers don't manage to post. I think I've been
fairly successful at that (I have blocked about 60.000 spam posts to the
hecnet list over the years).
I don't mind a little social life here, and I think the latest threads shows
as much. I occasionally contact individuals when I think it is going too
far, but I don't do that much policing at the moment.
However, if the list would to get 200 new subscribers in short order, who
were more looking for a social channel than technical discussions, I would
definitely have to clamp down. The signal to noise ration is at an
acceptable level at the moment, but I don't want it to drop more.
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I don't mind a little social life here, and I think the latest threads shows as much. I occasionally contact individuals when I think it is going too far, but I don't do that much policing at the moment.
However, if the list would to get 200 new subscribers in short order, who were more looking for a social channel than technical discussions, I would definitely have to clamp down. The signal to noise ration is at an acceptable level at the moment, but I don't want it to drop more.
This exactly why I rolled hecnet.random - so people can be politely told to move a thread to a more suitable venue, i.e. hecnet.random or DECTEC.
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Write it directly.
Backup can do that right? I don't have to right disk images to disk in
VMS too often. ;)
No. This is what I've done to write tape images to tapes:
$ INIT/ERASE MUA0: ""
$ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512 MUA0:
$ COPY <filename> MUA0:
$ DISMOUNT/UNLOAD MUA0:
Can anyone (Brian S?) say if this will work with disk as the
destination device as well? I'd guess yes, but I haven't done it
myself, at least not recently enough that I remember.
-Dave
Crap. My only good disk (the quantum was DEAD++ it seems) is just about 60M too small. Which is weird as the drive says it's 2G despite on the casing.
Meaning I can either copy the files off manually to a blank disk...or I can stick with VMS 6.3 instead of 7.3. ;)
I did check the jumpers...none indicate a size limit
So:
$ mou/for dka100:
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, TEST mounted on _VAXLET$DKA100:
$ copy vaxvms062.iso dka100:
I can find a way to get to 7.3 later...or maybe i'll just stick with 6.2.
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-03 01:51, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 07:48 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
We really don't need ANOTHER one. We have plenty. The one where
we all want to talk is the one where talking is not welcome, and
the one that was created specifically FOR talking is the one we
never use.
Lack of a list is not the problem here.
Ironic really. But I suppose we could encourage people to sign up to
Dectek, if the Random list gets no traffic I'll just delete it.
I don't run mailman on my mail server (and am nowhere near it, SSH
over 3G sucks) so this was the simplest setup.
Don't get me wrong, I (and others I'm sure) appreciate the thought.
It's just that the lack of a list really isn't the issue. Either this
list has to become more hospitable to the friendly chatting that every
one of us very obviously wants to do, or we have to move that friendly
chatting to the other list and get into the habit of keeping it there.
Shit...at this rate it'd be easier to make THIS the "friendly
chatting" list for the socialization of the group of friends that have
formed around HECnet, and create a separate list for zero-noise hecnet
operations traffic.
Johnny? Your thoughts?
That will not happen. People are subscribe to hecnet for it is the forum about hecnet, decnet and dec computers. In a wider scope, other relics can also be somewhat on topic.
Changing the purpose of this list does not make sense for the majority. And I would unsubscribe everyone before retargeting the list.
The majority of people subscribed are not posting much. Also, I try to keep a very tight ship, so that spammers don't manage to post. I think I've been fairly successful at that (I have blocked about 60.000 spam posts to the hecnet list over the years).
I don't mind a little social life here, and I think the latest threads shows as much. I occasionally contact individuals when I think it is going too far, but I don't do that much policing at the moment.
However, if the list would to get 200 new subscribers in short order, who were more looking for a social channel than technical discussions, I would definitely have to clamp down. The signal to noise ration is at an acceptable level at the moment, but I don't want it to drop more.
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Oops. Google groups. I don't trust 'em to not advertise with my data.
Same damn thing. Different suits.
Precisely. Same crappy UIs, too. ;)
Yes.
It blows dog. And you know what happens when something blows dog: The
only one who's happy about it is the dog.
LOL. Ok, if an alternative group for social chat comes up (DECTek, 'rebranding' this group and adding hecnet.serious or something), I'll kill the Google Group.
Thing is that those take like 3 minutes to set up, so I figured why not.
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Write it directly.
Backup can do that right? I don't have to right disk images to disk in
VMS too often. ;)
No. This is what I've done to write tape images to tapes:
$ INIT/ERASE MUA0: ""
$ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512 MUA0:
$ COPY <filename> MUA0:
$ DISMOUNT/UNLOAD MUA0:
Can anyone (Brian S?) say if this will work with disk as the
destination device as well? I'd guess yes, but I haven't done it
myself, at least not recently enough that I remember.
-Dave
Crap. My only good disk (the quantum was DEAD++ it seems) is just about 60M too small. Which is weird as the drive says it's 2G despite on the casing.
Meaning I can either copy the files off manually to a blank disk...or I can stick with VMS 6.3 instead of 7.3. ;)
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hello!
Google Groups and Yahooie Groups have nothing important together. In
fact GG is better conceived of and all that, then those idiots at YG.
In fact they just changed their methods of doing things, and are
insulting a very large amount of people with it.
However GG's only problem is that they will let anyone in there....
(And that wasn't an insult aimed at you Sampsa.)
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/02/2013 07:52 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's wrong Cory? Peeved that you did not think of it first?
No. I just don't like Yahoo and their related products.
Oops. Google groups. I don't trust 'em to not advertise with my data.
Same damn thing. Different suits.
Precisely. Same crappy UIs, too. ;)
Yes.
It blows dog. And you know what happens when something blows dog: The
only one who's happy about it is the dog.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Shit...at this rate it'd be easier to make THIS the "friendly
chatting" list for the socialization of the group of friends that have
formed around HECnet, and create a separate list for zero-noise hecnet
operations traffic.
Johnny? Your thoughts?
Actually that's a great idea. I'm all for it.
Sampsa
On 10/02/2013 07:52 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
What's wrong Cory? Peeved that you did not think of it first?
No. I just don't like Yahoo and their related products.
Oops. Google groups. I don't trust 'em to not advertise with my data.
Same damn thing. Different suits.
Precisely. Same crappy UIs, too. ;)
Yes.
It blows dog. And you know what happens when something blows dog: The
only one who's happy about it is the dog.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/02/2013 07:51 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
Eurgh. Can you pick something OTHER than google groups? ;)
Nah, too lazy.
I'm not at all interested in another annoying Google Groups
I think what we need is another hecnet list to subscribe to that has a
suitable title meaning 'important hecnet stuff'.
hecnet-notice at update.uu.se for example?
then we can all merrily carry on ranting here and set dancing unicorns
to appear when we get a notice email
You and I had exactly the same idea at pretty much exactly the same
time! :-)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
