On 08/10/2013 16:17, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/08/2013 11:10 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Last night I was basking in the glow of an orange VT320 as I used that
and a DECserver to get around HECNET.
AFAIR Johnny's bridge is capable of forwarding LAT so I can see a load
of services on the DECSERVER if I type SHOW SERVICE.
Orange VT320? Mine is green. Neat!
Amber. Green VT320s are fairly uncommon. They were also available
with white phosphor.
-Dave
I have an amber and a green one, but the green one has developed an NVRAM fault which means it must be configured each time on startup. It's also got a little bit of the shakes...
Tonight I bring the 21" monitor in from the garage, where it has sat for a couple of years, and see if it still works. Of course I'll be leaving it overnight before switching it on.
Regards, Mark.
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-08 15:25, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Uh... Why would it? There is no difference between a modem and a terminal here. They both come in to the machine over a serial line, and then VMS expects you to log in.
Yes, the modem should be set up correctly, and then it's just a piece of equipment in the communication path, which is totally transparent.
The wiggling of the DCD is how a modem (or terminal) tell the computer that it is connected.
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
No, this is why I advice to set the modem up with sane defaults before hooking it up :)
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Configuration in inittab.
Johnny
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
So if I install this thing (it'll cost me about 15 euros a month) how much use do you think I'll get (i.e. how many inbound calls).
Very little as I don't have international dialing enabled...anywhere :(
Mark, this would be a great demo at various vintage events, ISDN over GSM talking to a DECserver that connects to a VAXcluster :)
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On 8 Oct 2013, at 14:44, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
Great!
I'll give it a whirl when I get outta work this evening (assuming time permits!).
I'll dial out with my Commodore 64 :)
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/10/2013 13:35, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Yeah, that's the way to go. I'm tempted to buy an ancient Nokia GSM phone, get a data number for it and a serial adapter, and plug it into my DS300..9600 bps dial up access, woo hoo!
I kinda still enjoy dial up... are there any active modems on 'the net'? Sampsa, you and I tried this once, a long time back... not sure if we ever connected, but I didn't have POTS at the time...
You can try SLAVE which is connected via a dial up. Not tried it in a while but it should still work OK.
+44 15394 22404
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On 10/08/2013 11:10 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Last night I was basking in the glow of an orange VT320 as I used that
and a DECserver to get around HECNET.
AFAIR Johnny's bridge is capable of forwarding LAT so I can see a load
of services on the DECSERVER if I type SHOW SERVICE.
Orange VT320? Mine is green. Neat!
Amber. Green VT320s are fairly uncommon. They were also available
with white phosphor.
-Dave
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I have the following files:
$ TYPE SYS$STARTUP:MODEM$STARTUP.COM
$! MODEM$STARTUP.COM
$!
$! Setup the Hayes Accura V.92 Bis External Modem
$! for use as a dial-in service.
$! Modem is connected to the second built-in serial
$! port on the AlphaServer 1000A.
$!
$! Edit history:
$! 22-JAN-2011 13:26 M. Wickens 002 Use KERMIT
$! 22-JAN-2011 12:14 M. Wickens 001 Initial version
$!
$ SET TERMINAL /PERMANENT/MODEM/DIALUP/HANGUP/SPEED=(57600,57600) -
/ALTYPEAHD/HOSTSYNC TTA0:
$ SET SECURITY /PROTECTION=W:R /CLASS=DEVICE TTA0:
$!
$! Use KERMIT to configure the modem
$!
$ KERMIT == "$APPS$:[TOOLS.ALPHA_IMAGES]KERMIT.EXE"
$!
$ KERMIT SYS$STARTUP:MODEM$STARTUP.KER
$!
$ EXIT
SLAVE$$ type modem$startup.ker
SET LINE TTA0:
IF FAIL EXIT 1 "TTA0: not available"
SET SPEED 57600
SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF
LINEOUT "AT&F0Q1E1S0=1S37=9&K4&D2&S1\N3%C3&W"
EXIT
SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM;39
$! 22-JAN-2011 12:22 M. Wickens 001 Include MODEM startup
$ SUBMIT/LOG/NOTIFY/NOPRINT/QUEUE=SYS$INIT_'NODE' SYS$STARTUP:MODEM$STARTUP.COM
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 08/10/2013 06:24, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
That's what I do. (Well, DECserver to a FreeBSD box, and then to the world if I want to send email...like this particular one was sent from a VT320 on a DECserver 200/MC)
Last night I was basking in the glow of an orange VT320 as I used that and a DECserver to get around HECNET.
AFAIR Johnny's bridge is capable of forwarding LAT so I can see a load of services on the DECSERVER if I type SHOW SERVICE.
Orange VT320? Mine is green. Neat!
I also noticed that SET HOST LA75, which is meant to be a printer port on the DECSERVER in the basement gave me SYSTEM access to SLAVE. Woops, a little reconfiguration required there!
Yup. ;)
Regards, Mark.
Daniel.
On 08/10/2013, at 10:27 AM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
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Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 10/08/2013 09:17 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, I'd hook up a terminal first, set ATS0=1 (autoanswer) and then
store the defaults in the modem's NVRAM. That way the modem just
raises the DCD line when a connection has been made.
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
No OS I've ever seen does. Such things are not the responsibility of
the operating system.
;)
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On 10/08/2013 09:17 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, I'd hook up a terminal first, set ATS0=1 (autoanswer) and then
store the defaults in the modem's NVRAM. That way the modem just
raises the DCD line when a connection has been made.
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
No OS I've ever seen does. Such things are not the responsibility of
the operating system.
-Dave
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"Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> writes:
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a
terminal?
Actually the VMS dialer interface is well documented (isn't all of VMS
like that??) and long, long ago I wrote a dialer for Hayes modems. It lets
you use the SET HOST/DTE/DIAL=... command with Hayes compatible modems.
If you really need it I could probably find a copy.
Bob
I was about to mention SET HOST/DTE/DIAL=(NUMBER=<number>,MODEL=<modem_type>)
and that <modem_type> can be most any modem because the dialer program API is
well documented.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Essentially, telling getty what kind of equipment is attached. In VMS you would not allow LOGINOUT to handle a port where something like a fax was installed. Instead you'd run the fax program, and have that handle the port. Using getty in this way can be considered either very clever, or very ugly, depending on your preferences and view on how to do things... But essentially, you'll have a getty which can do and understand a lot of different things.
I totally agree, my last modem was a lovely Nokia ECM 19200 that could be programmed from a set of button on the front panel and had a 2 line LCD screen. I set it on auto-answer, DCD/DTR correctly and all AT responses off, and plugged it into CHIMPY.
Worked like a dream until the power supply blew up.
It was 11 years old though..:)
sampsa
