I had this recently and it turned out to be a misplaced card on the Qbus. In
other words not in the proper serpentine order. Check the Qbus sequence and
also try removing some cards.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 15 November 2013 03:55
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Cluster annoyances
Hello all,
I'm trying to get a MicroVAX II to cluster with MORIA. It's not going so
well:
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:48:59.18 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user SYSTEM on MOIRA LANACP MOP V3 Downline Load
Service Volunteered to load request on ESA0 from MOYA Requested file:
DISK$MOIRA:<SYS10.>[SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]NISCS_LOAD.EXE
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:49:04.72 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user SYSTEM on MOIRA LANACP MOP V3 Downline Load
Service Load succeeded for MOYA on ESA0 System image,
DISK$MOIRA:<SYS10.>[SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]NISCS_LOAD.EXE (VAX
image)
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.07 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.07 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) received VAXcluster membership
request from node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.08 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.07 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) proposed addition of node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.62 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.61 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) completed VAXcluster state
transition
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:51:07.99 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:51:07.99 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) lost connection to node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:51:27.59 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:51:27.49 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) timed-out lost connection to node
MOYA
The moment it joins the cluster, it immediately loses connectivity.
There's between 5 and 10 milliseconds of latency between the two...but
that
shouldn't matter...should it?
As I don't have a SCSI Qbus adapter, and I didn't get the TK50+TQK50 with
it, I
can only MOP boot it. 60M disk is also not a lot.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hello all,
I'm trying to get a MicroVAX II to cluster with MORIA. It's not going so
well:
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:48:59.18 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user SYSTEM on MOIRA
LANACP MOP V3 Downline Load Service
Volunteered to load request on ESA0 from MOYA
Requested file: DISK$MOIRA:<SYS10.>[SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]NISCS_LOAD.EXE
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:49:04.72 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user SYSTEM on MOIRA
LANACP MOP V3 Downline Load Service
Load succeeded for MOYA on ESA0
System image, DISK$MOIRA:<SYS10.>[SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]NISCS_LOAD.EXE (VAX
image)
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.07 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.07 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) received VAXcluster membership
request from node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.08 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.07 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) proposed addition of node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:50:58.62 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:50:58.61 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) completed VAXcluster state
transition
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:51:07.99 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:51:07.99 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) lost connection to node MOYA
MOIRA::CSMELOSKY$
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 14-NOV-2013 22:51:27.59 %%%%%%%%%%%
22:51:27.49 Node MOIRA (csid 00010001) timed-out lost connection to node
MOYA
The moment it joins the cluster, it immediately loses connectivity.
There's between 5 and 10 milliseconds of latency between the two...but
that shouldn't matter...should it?
As I don't have a SCSI Qbus adapter, and I didn't get the TK50+TQK50 with
it, I can only MOP boot it. 60M disk is also not a lot.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Hi Sampsa,
I added a few sentences and one image on the version on my website:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/doc.html
The last image takes just 2s on RULLFS to compose :)
So at the end I end with the notion that Sixel graphics in e.g. XTerm
may perhaps even have a future! Do you know another application?
Erik
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 02:19:32PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah I'll fire up Xnest in a week or so when I have the bandwidth :)
Will send you PDFs of the laid out article.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 3 Nov 2013, at 12:36, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
I made some corrections and I think it is ready, unless you have
further suggestions for improvement. You can edit it as you like
and add further screenshots (I don't think I have dtterm). Perhaps
this depends on Mark Wickens' contribution. Is it something to put
in http://retrotron.sampsa.com/magazine/ ? Or I can have a link to
this material on my own web server?
Files are attached.
Erik
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 07:21:55PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Cool, that's like 2-3 pages of material.
I could throw in a screenshot of DTTERM as well, and say this is how it looks on a real DEC VMS box..:)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 2 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
This is a first draft, where I have a reference to Mark's contribution.
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/doc.html
Mark: would you perhaps like to be co-author?
Erik
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 04:41:34PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah go for it. The more the better.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 1 Nov 2013, at 13:44, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
In case you think it is interesting, I can write something about my
Sixel image viewer.
See also below for something that may be fun for the Retrotron.
(The implementation and the game rules are at alpha stage.)
Erik
---
It is hard to imagine, but perhaps even Captain Kirk sometimes played
a Sudoku before boldly going where no man has gone before:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sst/sudoku.html
There are nine entities in the Sudoku chart, but a Starfleet ship
may be a Galileo, Faerie Queene, or an Enterprise; a Klingon may
be an ordinary one, a Commmander or a Super Commander. (This depends
on a Greek-Latin square).
The Sudoku is played backwards, because the Federation is under attack.
Entities are removed at random if they take up a unique position.
In a fight, the strength matters, but if you take up a unique position,
you are trapped and may be destroyed.
It was good that Kirk practiced in a game first, because in the first
battle he lets the Galileo fight with a Klingon Super Commander.
Next there are some easy battles; in the one but last battle, a
Romulan ship disappeared from Quadrant 1 - 2, Sector 3 - 1.
Captain Kirk did not notice this in the next battle at Quadrant 1 - 2.
The Enterprise has nowhere to go, but the Commander can move to Sector
3 - 1, and Kirk loses another ship...
He then decides he might be better at real missions :)
---
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:39:56PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Mark,
Sorry, no DECwrite, I won't even deal with docx :)
ASCII txt and RTF with basic formatting only, and if you want pictures / diagrams, mark the spot where you'd like it wrt to the text with [* ... *], for example:
--- SNIP ---
This is my newest MLP, Candlestick, still in it's box: [** candle.jpg **] I prefer to keep my MLPs boxed since I don't feel I am ready for the type of relationship touching would entail.
--- SNIP ---
(No offence to bronies out there intended, just had to make something up the spot.)
Then just send me a ZIP of text and all the images.
If you have an editor that can create RTFD, you can dispense with the [* ... *] notation as the doc will have the pics in the right place (remember that RTFDs are bundles and need to be zipped).
The magazine is laid out in columns like a "proper" magazine (easier to read) but it's hard to promise EXACTLY where a picture will go in your submission. We'll run the submission by you before going live of course, and correct it as much as possible
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:28, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/10/2013 20:26, Sampsa Laine wrote:
This version specifically, at the start of the DEChead/HECnet etc section of the magazine:
http://www.sampsa.com/DECMonkey.jpg
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:12, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
This is going in the exit retrotron magazine.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 17:53, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
https://db.tt/G5b8sbRX
Sent from Samsung Mobile
Cool. I may get round to writing you something at some point.
Do you accept DECwrite files? ;)
Mark.
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<sixel.zip>
`tcpdump -vvvi tap0`
Yep, I'll try that tonight. Gotta go now.
You bridged tap0 to your external interface, right?
No. In fact, that's the whole point - to keep HECnet traffic off of my
real Ethernet.
tap0 is connected to only two things - Johnny's bridge, and QNA-1 (xqb on
simh). QNA-0 (xq on simh) is connected to my physical Ethernet. VMS sees
both and, if necessary, routes DECnet across them.
Bob
Recent simh versions no longer need any external program to work with tap
devices.
Mark -
I was just looking at this. Looks like in simh you now say
attach xq tap:tap0
What does that do that
attach xq tap0
does not? Does the first one make simh create the tap device? That doesn't
really help in this case - the problem is that I need to run Johnny's bridge
on tap0 too, so it needs to already exist before I start simh. tunctl is
still the only answer.
Thanks,
Bob
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Bob Armstrong wrote:
`ifconfig <interface> promisc`
That's too easy :-)
Sadly, it doesn't seem to fix anything. Both the bridge and simh are
connected to tap0, apparently w/o error, but no messages seem to be going
anywhere.
`tcpdump -vvvi tap0`
You bridged tap0 to your external interface, right?
Bob
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
`ifconfig <interface> promisc`
That's too easy :-)
Sadly, it doesn't seem to fix anything. Both the bridge and simh are
connected to tap0, apparently w/o error, but no messages seem to be going
anywhere.
Bob
I know that I've seen a patch to simh in the past,
to connect to HECnet directly from simh,
Yep, I've seen that too, although I don't know the current status. Maybe
Mark can put it in the production simh release ? In the meantime, the tap
device solves the problem just fine (or at least it used to).
Bob
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Try setting the interfaces promiscuous.
Ummm, what's the magic command to do that?
`ifconfig <interface> promisc`
Bob
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Recent simh versions no longer need any external program to work with tap
devices.
I saw that - simh v3.9, I think. I'm still using 3.8-3 (I have some local
patches that I don't want to redo just yet).
It's a good suggestion, but the fact is that the old simh worked just fine
with Ubuntu 10.04 - it's the upgrade to 12.04 that broke things.
Bob
