On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
However, wxWidgets works very well. It's very portable, produces native looking applications, and works on lots of operating systems. I've been using it for years.
It also comes with a good Python library.
I have only looked at it, but what I have seen it does look reasonable. I have no love or hate for QT. It works and gets the job done for what I have to do with it. wxWidgets also looks pretty useful also.
Clem
On Nov 2, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Yuk. I would think that a OS interface library might help here. Linux, Mac OS and *BSD are all pretty much the same for the basic I/O and all three support most of the basic low level OS stuff from open/close/read/write to mmap/semphores etc.. Where they differ is in UI and specifically GUI. I wonder if you considered something like QT for everything but DOS, I would like the amount of OS specific code you had to deal with I would hope would drop substantially.
QT would look like ass, frankly, esp on OS X.
I'd go for SDL and just make the UI a framebuffer thats a DOS screen with the same inputs as the DOS version. No need to write any manuals either :)
Or SDL and a Star Trek interface or whatever, but all the cross-platform GUI stuff looks TERRIBLE on OS X.
Maybe Qt does -- I only looked at it briefly and concluded I liked neither the API nor the license.
However, wxWidgets works very well. It's very portable, produces native looking applications, and works on lots of operating systems. I've been using it for years.
It also comes with a good Python library.
paul
I vote for conditional code.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of John Wilson
Sent: Sat 11/2/2013 14:10
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Ersatz-11 PDP-11 emulator V7.0
From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com>
Much as as I like *BSD, I'd rather see OSx ;-)
Even if I weren't afraid of Apple because of their "app store" monopolistic
grabbiness (they used to be so nice in the old days), I wasn't able to
find a reasonable way to get Mach-O executables from OMF-386 .OBJ files.
Writing a new linker seems like a great way not to have fun!
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
Then how about NetBSD on x86???
I really would like to attack the *BSDs ... I investigate periodically
but I just can't decide which I'd regret more: conditionalizing the
hell out of 11K lines of Linux-specific support code, or editing a copy
into ~11K lines of BSD-specific code that's easy reading but needs to
be maintained in parallel. Um, or I could do both? Nah. It would be
fun to get working though.
John Wilson
D Bit
On 2013-11-03 16:23, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I assume a large proportion of you have read Orwells "1984" and remember the protagonists workplace, the Ministry of Truth, i.e. Minitrue in Newspeak.
Now I managed to purchase minitrue.su (yes, .su for Soviet Union never went away).
Any ideas what to do with it?
Obvious ones are put KREMVAX.MINITRUE.SU and KGBVAX.MINITRUE.SU underneath it.
While funny, this is definitely a little too off topic for my taste...
Johnny
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I assume a large proportion of you have read Orwells "1984" and remember the protagonists workplace, the Ministry of Truth, i.e. Minitrue in Newspeak.
Now I managed to purchase minitrue.su (yes, .su for Soviet Union never went away).
Praise be to Ford for this accomplishment! (I'm aware that's a different book. I prefer it to 1984)
Any ideas what to do with it?
Obvious ones are put KREMVAX.MINITRUE.SU and KGBVAX.MINITRUE.SU underneath it.
A friend of mine own prismbackup.us...jokes for that are easy to come up with, but minitrue.su jokes are harder to come up with.
sampsa
--
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
John,
When would the demo (available via telnet) be accessible again?
What are, besides the duration limit, the differences between the demo
and the full version?
Thank you,
Jerome
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
As for Jobs, uhh, OS X is an extension of OpenStep which Apple they got
the rights to when they acquired Next and they brought Jobs in. What are you
talking about?
The replacement for Mac OS work started long before Jobs returned. You
are right, what they ended up with NextStep/OpenStep etc. But learning to
join what we now call the FOSS community began before he returned. Talking
to my friends that were there at the time, the tell me that culturally
breaking out of the "closed" nature was not something Jobs liked. The
engineers inside Apple at the time were what started it. Remember then
they were still in the Avis "we try harder" mode to Microsoft and the PC and
many of them felt the way to fight redmond was to be part of the unix
community etc.. When Jobs returned, they were already participating in the
FOSS community. There was a system called MachTen the pre-dated the Next
machine ( IIRC that was being used inside of Apple before NextStep also). I
ran it on a 68030 based color Mac-II (which I only go rid of about 2 years
ago). It was CMU Mach/BSD under the covers and allowed traditional MacOS
programs to run.
A lot of folks thought it was cool - best of both worlds.
Also your comment about App store -- I ask you to please differentiate
between the iOS App store and Mac App store, Many Mac developers that I
work with do not use the later and I know some are proud of it and display
thing on their web sites saying so. If I look at the system in which I am
typing this message, very few of the applications come from the Apple
store. That said -- I agree with your comment for iOS however and nearly
100% of my iPhone apps come from the store. All do indirectly[the IT shop
of my employer loads a program from the store called "apps at work" - and that
program some how loads other applications from an Intel specific library].
IMO, with the success of iOS, Apple seems to have gone back to its closed
ways and I do find that worrisome.
Clem
Guys,
I assume a large proportion of you have read Orwells "1984" and remember the protagonists workplace, the Ministry of Truth, i.e. Minitrue in Newspeak.
Now I managed to purchase minitrue.su (yes, .su for Soviet Union never went away).
Any ideas what to do with it?
Obvious ones are put KREMVAX.MINITRUE.SU and KGBVAX.MINITRUE.SU underneath it.
sampsa
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
As for Jobs, uhh, OS X is an extension of OpenStep which Apple they got the rights to when they acquired Next and they brought Jobs in. What are you talking about?
The replacement for Mac OS work started long before Jobs returned. You are right, what they ended up with NextStep/OpenStep etc. But learning to join what we now call the FOSS community began before he returned. Talking to my friends that were there at the time, the tell me that culturally breaking out of the "closed" nature was not something Jobs liked. The engineers inside Apple at the time were what started it. Remember then they were still in the Avis "we try harder" mode to Microsoft and the PC and many of them felt the way to fight redmond was to be part of the unix community etc.. When Jobs returned, they were already participating in the FOSS community. There was a system called MachTen the pre-dated the Next machine ( IIRC that was being used inside of Apple before NextStep also). I ran it on a 68030 based color Mac-II (which I only go rid of about 2 years ago). It was CMU Mach/BSD under the covers and allowed traditional MacOS programs to run.
A lot of folks thought it was cool - best of both worlds.
Also your comment about App store -- I ask you to please differentiate between the iOS App store and Mac App store, Many Mac developers that I work with do not use the later and I know some are proud of it and display thing on their web sites saying so. If I look at the system in which I am typing this message, very few of the applications come from the Apple store. That said -- I agree with your comment for iOS however and nearly 100% of my iPhone apps come from the store. All do indirectly[the IT shop of my employer loads a program from the store called "apps at work" - and that program some how loads other applications from an Intel specific library].
IMO, with the success of iOS, Apple seems to have gone back to its closed ways and I do find that worrisome.
Clem
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 02:19:32PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah I'll fire up Xnest in a week or so when I have the bandwidth :)
Will you be traveling to higher bandwidth countries?
Should there perhaps be a note about trademarks concerning DEC
and the monkey?
Will send you PDFs of the laid out article.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 3 Nov 2013, at 12:36, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
I made some corrections and I think it is ready, unless you have
further suggestions for improvement. You can edit it as you like
and add further screenshots (I don't think I have dtterm). Perhaps
this depends on Mark Wickens' contribution. Is it something to put
in http://retrotron.sampsa.com/magazine/ ? Or I can have a link to
this material on my own web server?
Files are attached.
Erik
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 07:21:55PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Cool, that's like 2-3 pages of material.
I could throw in a screenshot of DTTERM as well, and say this is how it looks on a real DEC VMS box..:)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 2 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
This is a first draft, where I have a reference to Mark's contribution.
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/doc.html
Mark: would you perhaps like to be co-author?
Erik
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 04:41:34PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah go for it. The more the better.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 1 Nov 2013, at 13:44, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
In case you think it is interesting, I can write something about my
Sixel image viewer.
See also below for something that may be fun for the Retrotron.
(The implementation and the game rules are at alpha stage.)
Erik
---
It is hard to imagine, but perhaps even Captain Kirk sometimes played
a Sudoku before boldly going where no man has gone before:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sst/sudoku.html
There are nine entities in the Sudoku chart, but a Starfleet ship
may be a Galileo, Faerie Queene, or an Enterprise; a Klingon may
be an ordinary one, a Commmander or a Super Commander. (This depends
on a Greek-Latin square).
The Sudoku is played backwards, because the Federation is under attack.
Entities are removed at random if they take up a unique position.
In a fight, the strength matters, but if you take up a unique position,
you are trapped and may be destroyed.
It was good that Kirk practiced in a game first, because in the first
battle he lets the Galileo fight with a Klingon Super Commander.
Next there are some easy battles; in the one but last battle, a
Romulan ship disappeared from Quadrant 1 - 2, Sector 3 - 1.
Captain Kirk did not notice this in the next battle at Quadrant 1 - 2.
The Enterprise has nowhere to go, but the Commander can move to Sector
3 - 1, and Kirk loses another ship...
He then decides he might be better at real missions :)
---
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:39:56PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Mark,
Sorry, no DECwrite, I won't even deal with docx :)
ASCII txt and RTF with basic formatting only, and if you want pictures / diagrams, mark the spot where you'd like it wrt to the text with [* ... *], for example:
--- SNIP ---
This is my newest MLP, Candlestick, still in it's box: [** candle.jpg **] I prefer to keep my MLPs boxed since I don't feel I am ready for the type of relationship touching would entail.
--- SNIP ---
(No offence to bronies out there intended, just had to make something up the spot.)
Then just send me a ZIP of text and all the images.
If you have an editor that can create RTFD, you can dispense with the [* ... *] notation as the doc will have the pics in the right place (remember that RTFDs are bundles and need to be zipped).
The magazine is laid out in columns like a "proper" magazine (easier to read) but it's hard to promise EXACTLY where a picture will go in your submission. We'll run the submission by you before going live of course, and correct it as much as possible
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:28, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/10/2013 20:26, Sampsa Laine wrote:
This version specifically, at the start of the DEChead/HECnet etc section of the magazine:
http://www.sampsa.com/DECMonkey.jpg
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:12, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
This is going in the exit retrotron magazine.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 17:53, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
https://db.tt/G5b8sbRX
Sent from Samsung Mobile
Cool. I may get round to writing you something at some point.
Do you accept DECwrite files? ;)
Mark.
--
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<sixel.zip>
Hi Sampsa,
I made some corrections and I think it is ready, unless you have
further suggestions for improvement. You can edit it as you like
and add further screenshots (I don't think I have dtterm). Perhaps
this depends on Mark Wickens' contribution. Is it something to put
in http://retrotron.sampsa.com/magazine/ ? Or I can have a link to
this material on my own web server?
Files are attached.
Erik
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 07:21:55PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Cool, that's like 2-3 pages of material.
I could throw in a screenshot of DTTERM as well, and say this is how it looks on a real DEC VMS box..:)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 2 Nov 2013, at 18:51, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
This is a first draft, where I have a reference to Mark's contribution.
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/doc.html
Mark: would you perhaps like to be co-author?
Erik
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 04:41:34PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah go for it. The more the better.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 1 Nov 2013, at 13:44, Erik Olofsen <e.olofsen at xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi Sampsa,
In case you think it is interesting, I can write something about my
Sixel image viewer.
See also below for something that may be fun for the Retrotron.
(The implementation and the game rules are at alpha stage.)
Erik
---
It is hard to imagine, but perhaps even Captain Kirk sometimes played
a Sudoku before boldly going where no man has gone before:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sst/sudoku.html
There are nine entities in the Sudoku chart, but a Starfleet ship
may be a Galileo, Faerie Queene, or an Enterprise; a Klingon may
be an ordinary one, a Commmander or a Super Commander. (This depends
on a Greek-Latin square).
The Sudoku is played backwards, because the Federation is under attack.
Entities are removed at random if they take up a unique position.
In a fight, the strength matters, but if you take up a unique position,
you are trapped and may be destroyed.
It was good that Kirk practiced in a game first, because in the first
battle he lets the Galileo fight with a Klingon Super Commander.
Next there are some easy battles; in the one but last battle, a
Romulan ship disappeared from Quadrant 1 - 2, Sector 3 - 1.
Captain Kirk did not notice this in the next battle at Quadrant 1 - 2.
The Enterprise has nowhere to go, but the Commander can move to Sector
3 - 1, and Kirk loses another ship...
He then decides he might be better at real missions :)
---
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:39:56PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Mark,
Sorry, no DECwrite, I won't even deal with docx :)
ASCII txt and RTF with basic formatting only, and if you want pictures / diagrams, mark the spot where you'd like it wrt to the text with [* ... *], for example:
--- SNIP ---
This is my newest MLP, Candlestick, still in it's box: [** candle.jpg **] I prefer to keep my MLPs boxed since I don't feel I am ready for the type of relationship touching would entail.
--- SNIP ---
(No offence to bronies out there intended, just had to make something up the spot.)
Then just send me a ZIP of text and all the images.
If you have an editor that can create RTFD, you can dispense with the [* ... *] notation as the doc will have the pics in the right place (remember that RTFDs are bundles and need to be zipped).
The magazine is laid out in columns like a "proper" magazine (easier to read) but it's hard to promise EXACTLY where a picture will go in your submission. We'll run the submission by you before going live of course, and correct it as much as possible
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:28, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/10/2013 20:26, Sampsa Laine wrote:
This version specifically, at the start of the DEChead/HECnet etc section of the magazine:
http://www.sampsa.com/DECMonkey.jpg
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:12, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
This is going in the exit retrotron magazine.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 30 Oct 2013, at 17:53, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
https://db.tt/G5b8sbRX
Sent from Samsung Mobile
Cool. I may get round to writing you something at some point.
Do you accept DECwrite files? ;)
Mark.
--
http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://hecnet.euhttp://declegacy.org.ukhttp://retrochallenge.nethttps://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo
