On 2013-12-18 23:37, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My god. That was a quick Godwin!
But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-)
VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said.
This thread wasn't Godwined as such - there was no comparison to the Third Reich or Holocaust brought up.
I did say "sortof". Nazi's were mentioned. :-)
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-12-18 23:34, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte..
Just as an FYI. I don't drink coffee. I also don't drink alcohol. I do, however, consume large amounts of Coca Cola. I've been working like crazy for a while now, and had lots of cheeze fondue last night, which I still can feel...
To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. So it resolves names. Nothing spectacular about that. But instead of having a resolv.conf, like Unix, I instead use a RESOLV$ORDER logical name to tell what kind of resolving I want. This has a comma separated list, and understands LOGICAL, FILE and DNS.
FILE uses the file "HOSTS" to lookup IP address and name mappings.
LOGICAL uses logical names for the mapping.
DNS uses the domain name system. (With logical names giving the address of the DNS server, as well as what domain name to use.)
So far, so good. Now, the neater part is that any user can (of course) override any part of this by having their own logical names for the resolve order, the HOSTS filename, add their own name resolutions through logical names, as well as having a different DNS server, or default domain name.
And it uses almost no memory in the user process. Instead the interface goes through the I/O system to the TCP driver, which in turn invokes a separate ACP for the name resolving, and that ACP adopts the UIC and logical name tables of the process who did the call.
Furthermore, the resolver ACP is multithreaded, and it do caching, even between different users (when applicable) and different programs.
Sorry, I just had to brag a little on how cool that is. :-)
(Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.)
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My god. That was a quick Godwin!
But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-)
VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said.
This thread wasn't Godwined as such - there was no comparison to the Third Reich or Holocaust brought up.
On another note, as the original asker of the question, I find the answers highly useful and informative.
Thanks guys.
Sampsa
On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My god. That was a quick Godwin!
But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-)
VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said.
Johnny
On 12/18/2013 05:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote:
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those
guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius
- it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have
to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze
Age or whatever.
Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-)
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything
before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician
is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter
all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a
much nicer language than any other alternative.
And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference
between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 12/18/2013 05:34 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte..
That would explain it!
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte..
On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-12-18 23:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm copying some files over from CHIMPY to RFSAXP and did a MONITOR DECNET in another window and got these rather strage results:
CUR AVE MIN MAX
Arriving Local Packet Rate 404.98 412.40 398.89 424.22
Departng Local Packet Rate 149.99 170.02 148.96 195.28
So I'm guessing FAL sends a BIG packet of data when transmitting a file, and the other side replies with multiple ACKs or something?
Is the local machine the one sending the file? It might be something with flow control, where the receiver acks, and then later sends an update that more data can be accepted maybe?
I don't know/recall enough of DECnet communications off the top of my head to properly commenet. :-)
I believe VMS uses segment flow control. So at least every couple of segments it will have to send a flow control message, which is separate from the data messages. And flow control messages (unlike the analogous thing in TCP) are acknowledged.
paul
Where are the topic nazis today??!
On 12/18/2013 05:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote:
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those
guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius
- it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have
to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze
Age or whatever.
Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-)
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything
before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician
is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter
all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a
much nicer language than any other alternative.
And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference
between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-)
Johnny
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-12-18 23:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm copying some files over from CHIMPY to RFSAXP and did a MONITOR DECNET in another window and got these rather strage results:
CUR AVE MIN MAX
Arriving Local Packet Rate 404.98 412.40 398.89 424.22
Departng Local Packet Rate 149.99 170.02 148.96 195.28
So I'm guessing FAL sends a BIG packet of data when transmitting a file, and the other side replies with multiple ACKs or something?
Is the local machine the one sending the file? It might be something with flow control, where the receiver acks, and then later sends an update that more data can be accepted maybe?
I don't know/recall enough of DECnet communications off the top of my head to properly commenet. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote:
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius - it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze Age or whatever.
Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-)
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a much nicer language than any other alternative.
And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
