On Sun, 25 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Heh... Well, you need to know the protection system in RSX...
Yeah. I'm skimming the Manager's guide (which doesn't actually have the commands. Seriously. There are blank spaces where the command should be)
File protection is totally unrelated to the terminal privilege status. File protection comes in four categories.
System - Any access from a group <=10 (octal)
Owner - Should be obvious
Group - Matching group but not member
World - Everybody else
So, in your case, either having a UIC of [131,54] or any system UIC should have done it. Maybe any member of 131 as well.
[137,10] means you'll fall under the WORLD mask.
Ahhhhhhh. That makes much more sense, thanks!
The terminal privilege status on the other hand allows you to change your terminal UIC to anything you want. If you are unprivileged, you cannot change your UIC.
Ahhhhhhhh. I was thinking of it in VMS terms.
And then, of course, tasks can be installed to run under another UIC than your terminal UIC...
But installing tasks also requires that your terminal is privileged...
Good thing I've not managed to make the console unprivileged. ;)
Johnny
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On 2014-05-25 15:24, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
:-)
Not entirely uncommon that people miss. Did you read the manuals, or
did you just jump? :-)
Yeah. I followed the install manual. Thought I configured it for an RA81.
The type of size of the disk don't matter. When you restore the tape image to disk, it will use the same parameters as the original disk the back was created from, unless you explicitly override it. And the disk that the installation tape is created from have very few headers, so that a restore is pretty much ensured to succeed no matter what the destination disk might be...
Anyway, yes, what you should have done is specify a non-default for
maximum number of file headers when you restored the original system
to disk using the BRUSYS system.
I THINK I did that...but I was doing so many different installs in SIMH
the past few days I could've been thinking of another one.
Suspect you missed it in the end.
Anyways, dropped to BRUSYS and copied from DU0 to DU1 in SIMH and had
everything copied in 30 seconds. Booting MVII cluster node to copy the
new image as we speak.
Good.
Johnny
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On 2014-05-25 15:22, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2014-05-25 13:57, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
If only it didn't care about this...
* 04.00 Where is the Network distribution kit loaded [S]: du2:
;
; Error - Distribution kit cannot be a disk kit
Which...seems to disagree with the manual. *grumble*.
Well. What command file are you running? I suspect it's PREGEN, which
you should not run in this case. You should go directly to NETGEN...
Well, first I gotta get the files on the system disk. ;)
Why?
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2014-05-25 15:22, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
No. You just have to have the right privileges... :-)
You apparently do not have the right to write to the output directory.
So, the obvious question is what your current UIC is when you do this...
(Think of this as the same thing as effective UID under Unix.)
I had made TT0: privileged. The current UIC at the time was...[137,10].
Should I have been in [1,2]?
Heh... Well, you need to know the protection system in RSX...
File protection is totally unrelated to the terminal privilege status. File protection comes in four categories.
System - Any access from a group <=10 (octal)
Owner - Should be obvious
Group - Matching group but not member
World - Everybody else
So, in your case, either having a UIC of [131,54] or any system UIC should have done it. Maybe any member of 131 as well.
[137,10] means you'll fall under the WORLD mask.
The terminal privilege status on the other hand allows you to change your terminal UIC to anything you want. If you are unprivileged, you cannot change your UIC.
And then, of course, tasks can be installed to run under another UIC than your terminal UIC...
But installing tasks also requires that your terminal is privileged...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 09:44:01AM -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Have fun!
Briefly, after which point I'll likely go back to vi and multiple
terminal windows like usual. :)
Understandable. It's a lot simpler than IDLE.
Looks like RSX does infact idle correctly. It was just user error.
Good to know!
Fun fact: the RSX-11M+ 4.6 baseline up on ftp.trailing-edge is not
infact a /pure/ baseline. ;)
Define not a pure baseline? What needs to be known?
Well, it won't boot on an 11/23 or 11/23+. It also won't initially offer to do AUTOCONFIGURE. It seems an inbetween baseline executive was made before distribution.
Get a real -11, too! ;)
Now that I have space, I should. :)
Enough for an 11/70? ;)
Yes actually. :)
Cool! You've got three-phase service right? :D
A quick search of PDP-11 on craigslist in atlanta doesn't return
anything. Guess I'll have to dig a bit deeper. :)
Perhaps!
-brian
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On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 09:44:01AM -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Have fun!
Briefly, after which point I'll likely go back to vi and multiple
terminal windows like usual. :)
Looks like RSX does infact idle correctly. It was just user error.
Good to know!
Fun fact: the RSX-11M+ 4.6 baseline up on ftp.trailing-edge is not
infact a /pure/ baseline. ;)
Define not a pure baseline? What needs to be known?
Get a real -11, too! ;)
Now that I have space, I should. :)
Enough for an 11/70? ;)
Yes actually. :)
A quick search of PDP-11 on craigslist in atlanta doesn't return
anything. Guess I'll have to dig a bit deeper. :)
-brian
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 09:49:54PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Are you sure you don't have the entire Monty Python crowd working
inside your setup Brian? Sorry I couldn't resist.
Well, you do know van Rossum named Python partly to honor Monty Python,
right?
Now if only he made robots...;)
We can take a guess then that IDLE is named partly to honor Eric
himself. :)
-brian
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 09:49:54PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Are you sure you don't have the entire Monty Python crowd working
inside your setup Brian? Sorry I couldn't resist.
Well, you do know van Rossum named Python partly to honor Monty Python,
right?
We can take a guess then that IDLE is named partly to honor Eric
himself. :)
-brian
On Sun, 25 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 09:36:56PM -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I didn't know that existed until just now! :)
Now you do!
It's not bad, actually. I'll have to play around with it!
Have fun!
Which simulator?
PDP-11 mainly.
Which OS? I seem to have had issues getting it to idle lately...but
let's just say I do some crazy things.
Definitely RSX and RSTS. Maybe RT-11 and possibly BSD?
Looks like RSX does infact idle correctly. It was just user error.
Fun fact: the RSX-11M+ 4.6 baseline up on ftp.trailing-edge is not infact a /pure/ baseline. ;)
After the move I'll be able to power on the Xserve, which means SIMH,
but I'll also be able to power on some actual VAX hardware, so I'll run
VMS on those. :)
Get a real -11, too! ;)
Now that I have space, I should. :)
Enough for an 11/70? ;)
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 09:36:56PM -0400, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I didn't know that existed until just now! :)
Now you do!
It's not bad, actually. I'll have to play around with it!
Which simulator?
PDP-11 mainly.
Which OS? I seem to have had issues getting it to idle lately...but
let's just say I do some crazy things.
Definitely RSX and RSTS. Maybe RT-11 and possibly BSD?
After the move I'll be able to power on the Xserve, which means SIMH,
but I'll also be able to power on some actual VAX hardware, so I'll run
VMS on those. :)
Get a real -11, too! ;)
Now that I have space, I should. :)
-brian
