"Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> writes:
the stupid CONFIGURE brain damage.
I saw that - a 500 block DCL script is kinda scary, but at least it
doesn't crash.
Personally, I'm happy with vi on unix and EDT on VMS.
EDT (and EVE) are really only useful to me if I have a real VTxxx
keyboard. My right hand knows all the keypad sequences, and can't be
reprogrammed for any PC key layout.
Stop using PeeCee keyboards... they're generally horrible to begin with and
then, there's the issue of the odd layout.
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On May 30, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
There's always TECO.
How do you think I've been fixing the emacs problems??? :-)
It's a bit tedious, though, and I find that I've forgotten a lot of TECO
commands. I used to be really good at it, but that was around 1978...
Same here. There are TECO manuals on Bitsavers, of course.
A couple of years ago I implemented TECO in Python. I could post that if there is interest...
paul
On Fri, 30 May 2014, Bob Armstrong wrote:
vi is, well, evil. The only command I know is :quit! (gotta have the
bang!) for the few times I accidentally get into it :-)
You mean eVIl. Personally...I often stick with pico/nano as a true heretic.
Emacs is just way too heavyweigh with unnecessary features.
You mean "gnu emacs..." and with that I absolutely agree, but I don't know
any other emacs alternative that's been ported to VMS.
Bob
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There's always TECO.
How do you think I've been fixing the emacs problems??? :-)
It's a bit tedious, though, and I find that I've forgotten a lot of TECO
commands. I used to be really good at it, but that was around 1978...
Bob
El 30/05/2014, a les 21.16, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> va escriure:
On May 30, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
...
EDT (and EVE) are really only useful to me if I have a real VTxxx
keyboard. My right hand knows all the keypad sequences, and can't be
reprogrammed for any PC key layout.
vi is, well, evil. The only command I know is :quit! (gotta have the
bang!) for the few times I accidentally get into it :-)
There s always TECO.
Or SUMSLP. Batch editing rules!
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On May 30, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
...
EDT (and EVE) are really only useful to me if I have a real VTxxx
keyboard. My right hand knows all the keypad sequences, and can't be
reprogrammed for any PC key layout.
vi is, well, evil. The only command I know is :quit! (gotta have the
bang!) for the few times I accidentally get into it :-)
There s always TECO.
paul
Doesn't MicroEMACS run under VMS?
Dunno - I have never used that version. I use JOVE on a PDP-11 (under
2.11bsd), but that's never been ported to VMS AFAIK.
I have emacs 18.51 running just fine on VAX VMS; I didn't think Alpha
would be that hard! Hmm - maybe I should try to find the sources for that
version.
Thanks,
Bob
On 05/30/2014 03:08 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Emacs is just way too heavyweigh with unnecessary features.
You mean "gnu emacs..." and with that I absolutely agree, but I don't know
any other emacs alternative that's been ported to VMS.
Doesn't MicroEMACS run under VMS?
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the stupid CONFIGURE brain damage.
I saw that - a 500 block DCL script is kinda scary, but at least it
doesn't crash.
Personally, I'm happy with vi on unix and EDT on VMS.
EDT (and EVE) are really only useful to me if I have a real VTxxx
keyboard. My right hand knows all the keypad sequences, and can't be
reprogrammed for any PC key layout.
vi is, well, evil. The only command I know is :quit! (gotta have the
bang!) for the few times I accidentally get into it :-)
Emacs is just way too heavyweigh with unnecessary features.
You mean "gnu emacs..." and with that I absolutely agree, but I don't know
any other emacs alternative that's been ported to VMS.
Bob
"Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> writes:
I've been trying for a day now to build the emacs21_2 that's on the
FREEWARE v8 CD. It's a joke - I don't think it ever worked on VMS. The MMS
files don't work with MMS anymore - you must use MMK. There's some elisp
file called p4 missing - don't know what that's for. The termcap doesn't
contain ANY vtxxx terminals (talk about a major bummer!). The image is
linked with /TRACEBACK and therefore can't be installed privileged (which is
exactly what their setup script does).
I persevered and fixed all those, but now emacs crashes with an ACCVIO
whenever I try to read a file. That's gonna limit its usefulness as a text
editor J
I really don't want to debug this thing. Please!
Thanks,
Bob
FYI, 19.28 (IIRC) was the last Emacs that would build on OpenVMS. I was
tasked, at one time, to try porting 21.something but I gave up because of
the stupid CONFIGURE brain damage.
Newer efforts of the GNV group might offer an environment that's better
suited for building later emacs. However, if the open source community
would cease with the "all-the-world's-a-unix" mentality, things such as
emacs might stand a chance on VMS.
Personally, I'm happy with vi on unix and EDT on VMS. Emacs is just way
too heavyweigh with unnecessary features.
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