Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:32 AM +0200 8/24/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Sure it is. That's almost back to the '80s...
Wasn't 4.5 the last version released (by Mentec, too) ?
No. Mentec also released V4.6 back in 1998, or maybe it even got to january 1999. Can't remember for sure.
Johnny
I assume 4.6 should have a separate tape for the DECnet install?
If you by that mean that DECnet isn't on the normal RSX distribution, then yes.
If, on the other hand, you guess that the DECnet distribution itself is multiple tapes, then no. It's only one tape in 4.6. It was only one tape in 4.5 as well. I can't remember if it was one or two tapes in 4.4 now.
Johnny
At 1:32 AM +0200 8/24/08, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Sure it is. That's almost back to the '80s...
Wasn't 4.5 the last version released (by Mentec, too) ?
No. Mentec also released V4.6 back in 1998, or maybe it even got to january 1999. Can't remember for sure.
Johnny
I assume 4.6 should have a separate tape for the DECnet install?
Zane
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Bob Armstrong wrote:
Sure it is. That's almost back to the '80s...
Wasn't 4.5 the last version released (by Mentec, too) ?
No. Mentec also released V4.6 back in 1998, or maybe it even got to january 1999. Can't remember for sure.
Johnny
Bob Armstrong skrev:
Hmm. You're running an "old" version of RSX are you? :-)
It's M+ v4.3. Not that old, AFAIK.
Sure it is. That's almost back to the '80s...
I think that the "generic" tape is the one that you should start with. You should only do the DECnet tape after you've done the generic tape.
If you're missing that tape, that's not good. You will never have a working DECnet installation in that case.
I might be able to help with M+ 4.3, but we might as well take that outside the list.
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Bob Armstrong skrev:
All this HECnet discussion has inspired me to try and install DECnet on a
RSX-11M+ system. Man! This RSX NETGEN is only for the determined and
persistent, isn't it?
In any case, I managed to extract the PREGEN.CMD file from the tape to
[137,10] and execute it. This is what happens -
@PREGEN
.... lots of stuff deleted ....
* 02.00 Are you running on a small dual-disk system? [Y/N]: N
* 04.00 Where is the Network distribution kit loaded [S]: MS0:
* 04.01 Is the tape already loaded in MS0:? [Y/N]: Y
* 04.02 Is the tape 1600 BPI? [Y/N]: Y
...
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
;
; Error - The file MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT could not be copied.
;
Hmmm... No file named NETMOV.DAT on the tape ...
Doing a directory of my DECNET-11M-PLUS tape, I see these files -
FLX TT:=MS0:/DI
Directory MS0:[137,10]
23-Aug-80
PREGEN.CMD 94. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECMOV.DAT 15. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECCFG.CMD 5. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECPRM.CMD 7. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.CLB 699. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.KIT 1. 13-Jun-89 <233>
Total of 821. blocks in 6. files
Odd - there's a file DECMOV but not NETMOV. After much head scratching
and
reading of the cryptic PREGEN.CMD indirect command processor file, I've
come
to the conclusion that there are really three tapes in the RSX "DECnet"
distribution - a "generic" network tape (that's the one with NETMOV.DAT
(which unfortunately I don't have), a DECnet specific tape (which seems to
be the one tape I do have) and a PSI network tape (which I think is
optional).
Can any RSX wizard confirm this?
Hmm. You're running an "old" version of RSX are you? :-)
Yeah, it used to be two parts, and both had to be copied in, if I remember
correctly. It's been a while since I used one of those...
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hello!
I would comment, but Johnny did me the favor of doing so. However
there's a <BLEEP!> load of items related to what we discuss here
roosting on Trailing-Edge's sites.
For example there is the (mirrored) site for the pdp-11 (PDP-11) site,
and they also have an FTP site, ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com in there
that's where I found enough software to make me want to find a
PDP-11/53 start doing something. (I still haven't.)
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Bob Armstrong skrev:
All this HECnet discussion has inspired me to try and install DECnet on a
RSX-11M+ system. Man! This RSX NETGEN is only for the determined and
persistent, isn't it?
In any case, I managed to extract the PREGEN.CMD file from the tape to
[137,10] and execute it. This is what happens -
>@PREGEN
> .... lots of stuff deleted ....
>* 02.00 Are you running on a small dual-disk system? [Y/N]: N
>* 04.00 Where is the Network distribution kit loaded [S]: MS0:
>* 04.01 Is the tape already loaded in MS0:? [Y/N]: Y
>* 04.02 Is the tape 1600 BPI? [Y/N]: Y
> ...
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
>;
>; Error - The file MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT could not be copied.
>;
Hmmm... No file named NETMOV.DAT on the tape ...
Doing a directory of my DECNET-11M-PLUS tape, I see these files -
>FLX TT:=MS0:/DI
Directory MS0:[137,10]
23-Aug-80
PREGEN.CMD 94. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECMOV.DAT 15. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECCFG.CMD 5. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECPRM.CMD 7. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.CLB 699. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.KIT 1. 13-Jun-89 <233>
Total of 821. blocks in 6. files
Odd - there's a file DECMOV but not NETMOV. After much head scratching and
reading of the cryptic PREGEN.CMD indirect command processor file, I've come
to the conclusion that there are really three tapes in the RSX "DECnet"
distribution - a "generic" network tape (that's the one with NETMOV.DAT
(which unfortunately I don't have), a DECnet specific tape (which seems to
be the one tape I do have) and a PSI network tape (which I think is
optional).
Can any RSX wizard confirm this?
Hmm. You're running an "old" version of RSX are you? :-)
Yeah, it used to be two parts, and both had to be copied in, if I remember correctly. It's been a while since I used one of those...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
All this HECnet discussion has inspired me to try and install DECnet on a
RSX-11M+ system. Man! This RSX NETGEN is only for the determined and
persistent, isn't it?
In any case, I managed to extract the PREGEN.CMD file from the tape to
[137,10] and execute it. This is what happens -
>@PREGEN
> .... lots of stuff deleted ....
>* 02.00 Are you running on a small dual-disk system? [Y/N]: N
>* 04.00 Where is the Network distribution kit loaded [S]: MS0:
>* 04.01 Is the tape already loaded in MS0:? [Y/N]: Y
>* 04.02 Is the tape 1600 BPI? [Y/N]: Y
> ...
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
FLX -- File not found
MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT
>;
>; Error - The file MS0:[137,10]NETMOV.DAT could not be copied.
>;
Hmmm... No file named NETMOV.DAT on the tape ...
Doing a directory of my DECNET-11M-PLUS tape, I see these files -
>FLX TT:=MS0:/DI
Directory MS0:[137,10]
23-Aug-80
PREGEN.CMD 94. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECMOV.DAT 15. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECCFG.CMD 5. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECPRM.CMD 7. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.CLB 699. 13-Jun-89 <233>
DECGEN.KIT 1. 13-Jun-89 <233>
Total of 821. blocks in 6. files
Odd - there's a file DECMOV but not NETMOV. After much head scratching and
reading of the cryptic PREGEN.CMD indirect command processor file, I've come
to the conclusion that there are really three tapes in the RSX "DECnet"
distribution - a "generic" network tape (that's the one with NETMOV.DAT
(which unfortunately I don't have), a DECnet specific tape (which seems to
be the one tape I do have) and a PSI network tape (which I think is
optional).
Can any RSX wizard confirm this?
Thanks,
Bob
On 23 Aug 2008, at 14:42, Bob Armstrong wrote:
So this means that if you had DECnet machines on your local network at
home and you wanted to bridge them into HECnet, you could do it with Linux
DECnet and a VMS host is not needed? Excellent!
That's exactly what it means. It might even be possible to connect two Linux multinet boxes to each other but I haven't tried it!
One thing that doesn't seem to work is routing on big-endian Linux boxes (eg my sparc!). But it's fine on a 'normal' system
Chrissie
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of Christine Caulfield
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:30 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] Multinet on Linux
I've got multinet working on Linux, for those that are interested.
Sourceforge appears to be sulking at the moment so I've uploaded the
latest dnprogs sources to
http://chrissie.fedorapeople.org/dnprogs-2.44.tar.gz
and to Debian.
Instructions for setting it up are here:
http://linux-decnet.wiki.sourceforge.net/multinet
Have fun, and let me know how you get on.
Chrissie
