At 7:12 PM -0700 8/27/08, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/08, Fred wrote:
Good evening ...
Got NOTES installed.
However, after adding the couple of conferences I saw at the nodes listing on avanthar:8080/nodes ... (specifically MONK::VMS for starters) trying to open that conference reveals:
Notes>
Login information invalid at remote node
Looks like the owner of MONK doesn't have NOTES set up for "remote" or HECNet access. :(
Let me take a look at it, something must be wrong.
If anyone has any ideas on this, I'd love to hear them. I've been looking and have been unable to find anything. I had it working so you could read NOTES conferences from PDXVAX, but that gives the same error now. I am able to read them from MONK. I don't see any sign of any management manual either.
Of course I have no idea when this last worked...
Zane
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| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
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At 9:25 PM -0400 8/27/08, Fred wrote:
Good evening ...
Got NOTES installed.
However, after adding the couple of conferences I saw at the nodes listing on avanthar:8080/nodes ... (specifically MONK::VMS for starters) trying to open that conference reveals:
Notes>
Login information invalid at remote node
Looks like the owner of MONK doesn't have NOTES set up for "remote" or HECNet access. :(
Let me take a look at it, something must be wrong.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
At 8:20 PM -0400 8/27/08, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Bob Armstrong wrote:
VAX Notes is on the OpenVMS Freeware CD V7, disk 2 -
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/
I'm not clear on whether there was ever an Alpha version of Notes...
Well, since MONK is a Compaq XP1000/667 I sure hope there is an Alpha version. :^)
Found individual packages from the freeware distribution (includes notes for Alpha and a field-test for Alpha and port to IA64.)
http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev70/notes/
Downloading now, installing shortly. :)
I believe the IA64 version is due to the OpenVMS development team using Notes.
BTW, you can log into PDXVAX and use the Notes client on it. Last I checked no one has really made use of the Notes conferences on MONK other than to post a couple test messages.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
Good evening ...
Got NOTES installed.
However, after adding the couple of conferences I saw at the nodes listing on avanthar:8080/nodes ... (specifically MONK::VMS for starters) trying to open that conference reveals:
Notes>
Login information invalid at remote node
Looks like the owner of MONK doesn't have NOTES set up for "remote" or HECNet access. :(
If nothing else I have my own private install of NOTES now so I don't look like a total idiot when I'm posting on Encompasserve ... ;)
The kits from mvb.saic.com do work - I used notes026.a and had to run a "fix backup attributes" DCL routine to straighten out the file attributes, otherwise VMSINSTAL (actually BACKUP) barfed all over. Probably related to transfering it to my laptop first before FTP'ing it to MISER.
That's enough beating on the Alpha for one night. :) I really should consider figuring out a way to do an /IMAGE backup on this thing soon, too ...
Fred
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Bob Armstrong wrote:
VAX Notes is on the OpenVMS Freeware CD V7, disk 2 -
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/
I'm not clear on whether there was ever an Alpha version of Notes...
Found individual packages from the freeware distribution (includes notes for Alpha and a field-test for Alpha and port to IA64.)
http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev70/notes/
Downloading now, installing shortly. :)
Fred
I would love a copy of that as well.
Sampsa
On 27 Aug 2008, at 21:48, Fred wrote:
Hi all ...
I noticed MONK:: has some notes conferences available. I'd like to browse them, but my Alpha is missing a NOTES kit. I downloaded a kit from an associate of mine, but my two problems are:
1. his Alpha is shut down at the moment
2. I downloaded the Japanese kit from his Alpha by accident
Could someone zip up a (English) notes kit for me and send it? I can also FTP or do a copy over HECNET if you give me a node::disk:[dir] combo ... :)
Cheers,
Fred
Hi all ...
I noticed MONK:: has some notes conferences available. I'd like to browse them, but my Alpha is missing a NOTES kit. I downloaded a kit from an associate of mine, but my two problems are:
1. his Alpha is shut down at the moment
2. I downloaded the Japanese kit from his Alpha by accident
Could someone zip up a (English) notes kit for me and send it? I can also FTP or do a copy over HECNET if you give me a node::disk:[dir] combo ... :)
Cheers,
Fred
I am aware of the issues with both ECB (statistical inference, known plaintext attacks, replay
attacks etc etc) and CRC-32. However considering the application (i.e. to stop DECNET credentials
going over the wide Internet entirely in the clear and rudimentary identification of the end-points) I doubt
that there would be many attackers who would bother with the extra effort of attacking this compared to
the current completely unprotected setup.
But since this doesn't seem to interest that many people anyway I think I'll give it a miss.
Sampsa
On 25 Aug 2008, at 15:44, Paul Koning wrote:
Sampsa> My proposal is that each end point of a bridge connection
Sampsa> share a secret and use some form of symmetric encryption (say
Sampsa> AES in ECB mode) whilst communicating....
Sampsa> A CRC-32 (of the unencrypted frame) would be used to
Sampsa> determine the validity of the data.
Um, no.
I rather doubt this sort of thing is worth doing, but if you think
it's useful, you should use a design that has the right security
properties.
Doing crypto right is hard -- much harder than you might think. ECB
is never right; neither is CRC for integrity (in a crypto setting).
On the other hand, the right way already exists. Just turn on IPsec.
If you want to invent your own, you should study IPsec to see how it
is constructed, and understand why it is constructed that way.
Studying the prior art is a good idea. It helps to avoid building
stuff that doesn't work. And unfortunately there's plenty of that.
WEP is a classic example of a "security" system designed by people who
didn't know what they were doing, and didn't know that they didn't know.
paul
"Sampsa" == Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Sampsa> Guys, I've had an idea for improving the usability and
Sampsa> security of the bridge: Encryption.
Sampsa> Now I realise that we're not dealing with a massively
Sampsa> high-security installation here with with HECnet but please
Sampsa> hear me out :)
Sampsa> My proposal is that each end point of a bridge connection
Sampsa> share a secret and use some form of symmetric encryption (say
Sampsa> AES in ECB mode) whilst communicating....
Sampsa> A CRC-32 (of the unencrypted frame) would be used to
Sampsa> determine the validity of the data.
Um, no.
I rather doubt this sort of thing is worth doing, but if you think
it's useful, you should use a design that has the right security
properties.
Doing crypto right is hard -- much harder than you might think. ECB
is never right; neither is CRC for integrity (in a crypto setting).
On the other hand, the right way already exists. Just turn on IPsec.
If you want to invent your own, you should study IPsec to see how it
is constructed, and understand why it is constructed that way.
Studying the prior art is a good idea. It helps to avoid building
stuff that doesn't work. And unfortunately there's plenty of that.
WEP is a classic example of a "security" system designed by people who
didn't know what they were doing, and didn't know that they didn't know.
paul
