On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 09:53:00PM -0400, John Wilson wrote:
hobby users can use the Demo version of E11 (for Linux or any other host OS)
for free, indefinitely. It has some cripples, but it's still pretty luxurious
compared to any real PDP-11 system I ever had...
Foo, no Solaris version, and my Linux VM doesn't appear to have enough RAM set to
it.
Guess it's time to finally get Linux installed on that old laptop of mine. :)
-brian
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"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
It would depend on how big "the whole business" is.
I looked in http://elvira.stacken.kth.se/rsts/rsts_80th_birthday.html
for a memory refresh. DECnet/E appeared in RSTS/E V6C. That was Phase
II -- no routing, DMC/DMR only. For 2 or 3 nodes, that was a useable
version.
Phase III (single level routing) appeared in V7.1. (That was my project
-- first RSTS/E project I worked on if you ignore a week on PIP in the
V6B timeframe.) That would serve for installations up to about 250
nodes. DMP/DMV support was added, including multipoint.
Ethernet support and DECnet phase IV (level 1 routing and endnode only,
no area routing) appeared in V9.3. It took so long because it was hard
to convince management to allow the work in the first place. There was
a sentiment that Ethernet wasn't interesting for PDP-11s, and/or that no
RSTS system lived in a network bigger than a few dozen nodes (so Phase
IV wasn't needed). The latter argument may have been valid -- I never
did run into any really large DECnet networks apart from the one inside
DEC.
So anyway... unless you want lots of nodes, or multi-area addressing,
Phase III will serve which means V7.1 or later is ok. Oh yes, you do
need DDCMP then. Ethernet or Phase IV require 9.3 or later; async DDCMP
requires 10.0 or later.
paul
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Gregg Levine
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:10 AM
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] What DEC created operating systems support the
networking protocol used?
Hello!
I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of
operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which
member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to
communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the
PDP-11.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature was once found posting rude
messages in English in the Moscow subway."
Hi.
Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of
operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which
member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to
communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the
PDP-11.
I think that it was less than a week since Paul Konig said that DECnet
phsse IV came in V9, or if it even was V10 of RSTS/E. Ie. very new
versions only.
Johnny
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Hello!
I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of
operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which
member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to
communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the
PDP-11.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature was once found posting rude
messages in English in the Moscow subway."
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:18:45PM -0400, Marc Chametzky wrote:
I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more
bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet
performance seems drastically improved.
Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and
have loved it.
You both suck.
That is all.
:)
-brian (stuck in cablemodem land)
You should see my monthly Internet bill! To get the same level of service I
had with my ISP and DSL, I'm stuck paying more than twice as much, plus I
still have an account with my ISP to keep my email. Given the choice, I
would much rather have my old slow DSL.
Zane
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:18:45PM -0400, Marc Chametzky wrote:
I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more
bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet
performance seems drastically improved.
Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and
have loved it.
You both suck.
That is all.
:)
-brian (stuck in cablemodem land)
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved.
Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and have loved it.
I'd love to upgrade to their next higher tier that they have available (25 Mbps/15 Mbps) for just $10/month more, but since I have 5 IP addresses that I'm somehow getting for free now, if I were to upgrade I'd have to start paying for them as well making it quite not as attractive.
--Marc
I'm happy to report that PDXVAX and MONK are *FINALLY* back online, after being down for a few days short of a year. I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay online all the time for the next month, but will try, it will depend on if we get another heat wave or not since I don't have any cooling for the computers.
Things aren't totally back to normal, www.avanthar.com still points to my .Mac account, as I need to find time to move some data back to my own server. However, http://aracnet.com:8080/nodes/ is working at the moment to generate a list of what's currently online on HECnet. Since it shows CODA as a VAXstation 90A, I'm pretty sure my data file that lists machine types and offered services needs updated. :-)
I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved.
Zane
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Ah I think I do actually. I'll have a look later, thanks.
Sampsa
On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:48, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
Any of you happen to have a copy of the SWXCR software for VMS 8.3? I've got two boxes with Mylex RAID controllers and would like to monitor them from VMS.
Sampsa
.
Do you have an Alpha Firmware CD? It resides there. That's the easiest way to get it.
Regards,
Kari
Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
Any of you happen to have a copy of the SWXCR software for VMS 8.3? I've got two boxes with Mylex RAID controllers and would like to monitor them from VMS.
Sampsa
.
Do you have an Alpha Firmware CD? It resides there. That's the easiest way to get it.
Regards,
Kari