On 15 Jul 2011, at 14:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, typing a few commands is just about allone can do on a traditional blackberry with a screen half the size of an iPhone. Even then the sensation is like watching a football game through a letterbox :-)
Yes, It's bearable on iPhone 4 only because of the hi res screen. The keyboard thing is still a pain though, unless you use a Bluetooth keyboard and that's a little object-defeating!
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Mark Benson
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Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
And go ahead and roll on the floor laughing, but I've been tempted to
track down a PDP-11, when I first saw and actually wanted a PDP-8 to
work with. My >father convinced me that doing so would be problematic
because the poor thing had only 8K of core based memory.
Is our friend behind the E11 subscribed here? He'll know what style of
wire wrapping based board I have here. It's designed for the PDP-11, I
think it >>might be the Q-Bus style one....
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Greg,
This is simple. If the backplane has 2 slots per row then it is a QBUS
(/2 variant). If it has 4 slots per row then it is also QBUS but could
be either 18-bit or 22-bit - the part number on the side of the
backplane will tell you for sure. If the backplane has 6 slots per row
then it is UNIBUS.
-Steve
Mark, typing a few commands is just about allone can do on a traditional blackberry with a screen half the size of an iPhone. Even then the sensation is like watching a football game through a letterbox :-)
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 14:42, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
I'm not trying to be a smart-arse but Google for 'HP Proliant Microserver'.
They rock, low cost, low size, low power, high expandability HP server. Quiet and cheap and designed by HP's best server guys. Really is a beautiful package.
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
Hello!
Mark can you provide a pointer to this HP Microserver?
And go ahead and roll on the floor laughing, but I've been tempted to
track down a PDP-11, when I first saw and actually wanted a PDP-8 to
work with. My father convinced me that doing so would be problematic
because the poor thing had only 8K of core based memory.
Is our friend behind the E11 subscribed here? He'll know what style of
wire wrapping based board I have here. It's designed for the PDP-11, I
think it might be the Q-Bus style one....
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:38, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Oh don't get me wrong, it's cool that you can do it and I have used it a few times. For basic terminal stuff its great. I have my HP Microserver set up to allow SSH from external IPs via myy firewall so I can SSH there then Telnet into my SimH VAX from my phone :D
On the same count however, a lot of DEC text based apps like EVE and Notes (I think?) Use mimetic pad and F-key functions which are a struggle on phone-based clients.
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 15/07/11 12:44, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just 32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
OK, so we need someone to code a trigger a the notes server to post to the email list and write an email gateway that will process emails and add notes posts. Best of both worlds. Now who will step up to the plate?
Sounds like the kind of crazed idea that Sampsa gets involved in ;)
Mark.
The first DEC system I worked with was a pdp-11/40. It had a CR11, an LP11, one RK05, an RX01 and a DECtape I unit. It did have MMU but just 32 kB core, which was expanded to 64 KB core. That allowed KED to run with RT-11 (V3, V4).
I did experiment with RSX-11D but preferred RT-11. The pdp served in a laboratory, it got an LPS-11 interface later on.
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
Mark, running a vt100 80 x 24 screen on a blackberry (not a Torch) is problematic.
OTOH 20 years ago I wouldn't have dreamt of being able to power down an XP1000 sitting on my couch and using a phone as a remote terminal!
Hans
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
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On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:24, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
A notes server would be fine. Answering maillists on a blackberry is problematic. The thing only allows new text between the header and the original text, i.e. forces top posting.
WTH Is it with mobile devices doing that :( I have to cut and paste my sig on nearly every mailing lust when I answer on iPhone :(
There is a terminal emulator available for it, vt100 compatible so VAXnotes* is fine.
Using a terminal emulator on a phone is torture, seriously. I have Telnet and SSH clients on iPhone and even though they offer extra keys it's not enough to be usable :(
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Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:24, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
A notes server would be fine. Answering maillists on a blackberry is problematic. The thing only allows new text between the header and the original text, i.e. forces top posting.
WTH Is it with mobile devices doing that :( I have to cut and paste my sig on nearly every mailing lust when I answer on iPhone :(
There is a terminal emulator available for it, vt100 compatible so VAXnotes* is fine.
Using a terminal emulator on a phone is torture, seriously. I have Telnet and SSH clients on iPhone and even though they offer extra keys it's not enough to be usable :(
--
Mark Benson
http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
