On 21 Jul 2011, at 06:26, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I don't believe DEC had anything to do with the version I've used. It's the software used by the Deathrow cluster. Ah, here we go...
http://www.decuserve.org/~burley/
As I'm a DECUServe member I had a look around on their demo if it running on EISNER:: and it seems to work pretty well. I say someone gives it a go on an isolated non-critical NOTES system to see how it goes, we can all drop by and try to break it ;)
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I don't believe DEC had anything to do with the version I've used. It's the software used by the Deathrow cluster. Ah, here we go...
http://www.decuserve.org/~burley/
Zane
At 7:19 AM +0300 7/21/11, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
Zane,
do you have a kit or a pointer to where to find the web interface? I wasn't aware of that there was a public version of it. I have always thought it was DEC internal only.
Kari
On 21.7.2011 6:25, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Keep in mind there is the web interface for NOTES. I want to say I had
it running on MONK, unfortunately MONK hasn't been up in a long time as
I can't afford the electricity and cooling. :-(
Zane
At 10:55 AM -0400 7/20/11, Fred wrote:
Hi all
Now that I've got my mail issues squared away, I did want to note (ha)
that if anyone wants to carry on off-topic stuff in a NOTES fashion,
feel free to add MISER::HECNET_OFF to your notebook.
A list->notes gateway I would need help with, although I would think a
gateway would not be needed since the point is to move certain
discussions off-list.
Regardless, it's there if folks want to use it. MISER:: is up 24/7
barring hardware problems or if the power goes out and I'm not around
to fire up the generator before the batteries give out.
Cheers,
Fred
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Zane,
do you have a kit or a pointer to where to find the web interface? I wasn't aware of that there was a public version of it. I have always thought it was DEC internal only.
Kari
On 21.7.2011 6:25, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Keep in mind there is the web interface for NOTES. I want to say I had
it running on MONK, unfortunately MONK hasn't been up in a long time as
I can't afford the electricity and cooling. :-(
Zane
At 10:55 AM -0400 7/20/11, Fred wrote:
Hi all
Now that I've got my mail issues squared away, I did want to note (ha)
that if anyone wants to carry on off-topic stuff in a NOTES fashion,
feel free to add MISER::HECNET_OFF to your notebook.
A list->notes gateway I would need help with, although I would think a
gateway would not be needed since the point is to move certain
discussions off-list.
Regardless, it's there if folks want to use it. MISER:: is up 24/7
barring hardware problems or if the power goes out and I'm not around
to fire up the generator before the batteries give out.
Cheers,
Fred
Keep in mind there is the web interface for NOTES. I want to say I had it running on MONK, unfortunately MONK hasn't been up in a long time as I can't afford the electricity and cooling. :-(
Zane
At 10:55 AM -0400 7/20/11, Fred wrote:
Hi all
Now that I've got my mail issues squared away, I did want to note (ha) that if anyone wants to carry on off-topic stuff in a NOTES fashion, feel free to add MISER::HECNET_OFF to your notebook.
A list->notes gateway I would need help with, although I would think a gateway would not be needed since the point is to move certain discussions off-list.
Regardless, it's there if folks want to use it. MISER:: is up 24/7 barring hardware problems or if the power goes out and I'm not around to fire up the generator before the batteries give out.
Cheers,
Fred
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
Hi all
Now that I've got my mail issues squared away, I did want to note (ha) that if anyone wants to carry on off-topic stuff in a NOTES fashion, feel free to add MISER::HECNET_OFF to your notebook.
A list->notes gateway I would need help with, although I would think a gateway would not be needed since the point is to move certain discussions off-list.
Regardless, it's there if folks want to use it. MISER:: is up 24/7 barring hardware problems or if the power goes out and I'm not around to fire up the generator before the batteries give out.
Cheers,
Fred
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Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
There is ANF10 code for PDP11 that run on 40's or 34's.
Ah. I thought the DN92 was somehow related to ANF10.
Did ever anything but TOPS-10 support ANF10?
(Whatever code ran on the FE RSX system don't count... :) )
There are three DEC things that run on the FE PDP11:
rsx20f is the stuff that controls the KL and loads microcode
and acts as the connection for local terminal links.
(remember the dte is capable of 50kbit/s total...)
mcb rsx based decnet phase 3 frontend, while the host was
phase 4.. abortion.. that's why we did the DDP
devices..
anf10 Frontend code, don't use a OS, has a small kernel by
itself.
You could not mix this, so your minimum was 2 PDP11's and one is in
the main CPU.
Then there is MinITS for the frontend of MC KL10A and DL10
The PDP11 code can talk DDCMP over ASYNC or SYNC interfaces, DQ11,
DMR11, DMC11. So you can do Wan things. In Sweden we had DEC10's in
Stockholm and Linkoping networked with a 9.6K sync link.
The DEC2020 talks DDCP with a DUP11 and a KMC (I think it was KMC,
unibus card with microdode that basically did DDCMP.)
Yeah, I seem to remember that the KMC was the card with DDCMP on board.
Anf-10 has link-state routing like OSPF/ISIS but only one area.
I was very ignorant at the time I played with this stuff. Exactly what
could you do over ANF10? I remember connecting between machines
(interactive terminal sessions), but were there file transfer protocols,
or network based filesystems? Other features?
It depends..
There where sockets/services, but different nodes supports
different things. A shell is a socket/service only on the
mainframes and the X29/X25 gateway.
MCR shell
TSK process-process (file access is on top of this)
LPT line printer
CDR card reader
CDP card punch
TTY terminal line (very advanced "Telnet")
DDP tunnel used to carry IP and DECnet to front-end
PLT plotter
RDX remote data entry terminal
in netdev.mac...
TITLE NETCDR - NETWORK CARD READER ROUTINES - V001
TITLE NETDDP - NETWORK "DDCMP" DEVICE SERVICE ROUTINES - V001
TITLE NETLPT - NETWORK LINE PRINTER ROUTINES - V001
TITLE NETMCR - NETWORK MONITOR CONTROL ROUTINES VERSION 001
TITLE NETPLT - NETWORK PLOTTER ROUTINES - V001
TITLE NETRDX - REMOTE DATA ENTRY SERVICE ROUTINE TO SUPPORT MCS10 - V001
TITLE NETTSK - TASK TO TASK COMMUNICATION SERVICE ROUTINE - V001
TITLE NETVTM - VIRTUAL TERMINAL ROUTINES VERSION 001
-P
Kalpana also designed a bridge between ethernet and the appletalk network, right?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Paul Koning
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECnet et al
Verzonden: 17 juli 2011 22:51
On Jul 17, 2011, at 4:39 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Well the term bridge is firmly written in my own memory :-)
Tou mentioned that other company, and I'm trying to remember that name too. Was it something with 'sea" in it?
No... I just found it. Kalpana. Their technology claim to fame was cut through bridging, as opposed to store & forward, so they invented the term "switching" for that. But the cut through stuff is just an optimization, and on half-duplex Ethernet a questionable one at best. It existed somewhat with 100Mb Ethernet, I think, and disappeared in Gigabit Ethernet only to come back with 10G Ethernet. Interesting...
Still, though, it's just a bridge, no matter what you call it.
paul
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
I understand the rationale for phase 5 and years ago when I could remember ncl it was great: lots of information, good for troubleshooting.
But today, 25 years later, I find myself predominantly installing NCP and not ncl.
Phase 5 takes a long time to start up on a VAXstation 3100 class machine (sub 10 VUPS) and is better handled on a VAXstation 4000 90A. Once it runs phase 5 performs on par with phase 4.
What I like best about phase 4 is the SHOW NET(/OLD) command because it tells me the nodes that are up and running. Very useful in a production environment.
I feel that if phase 5 would have had a similar command that it may have been a lot more popular. Why isn't it there ?
Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel
On Jul 17, 2011, at 4:39 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Well the term bridge is firmly written in my own memory :-)
Tou mentioned that other company, and I'm trying to remember that name too. Was it something with 'sea" in it?
No... I just found it. Kalpana. Their technology claim to fame was cut through bridging, as opposed to store & forward, so they invented the term "switching" for that. But the cut through stuff is just an optimization, and on half-duplex Ethernet a questionable one at best. It existed somewhat with 100Mb Ethernet, I think, and disappeared in Gigabit Ethernet only to come back with 10G Ethernet. Interesting...
Still, though, it's just a bridge, no matter what you call it.
paul
On 17.7.2011 23:17, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:29 PM,<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
What is the difference between a bridge and a switch? I don't want to get into a discussion about layer 2 and layer 3 swutching but afaik a bridge is a two port layer 2 switch.
No. "bridge" is the original term, and while the first bridges were 2 port, that never was a limitation.
"Switch" is a term invented by some company whose name escapes me (bought by Cisco way back when) for the purpose of confusing the public into thinking they had something different. Not so, it was just a bridge.
These days "switch" seems to be the common term, but the two words have always been synonyms.
paul
.
Paul answered already what I also was going to say; that bridge was the orginal term.
In fact, a switch is a multiport bridge. A switch can of course have additional features like VLAN support etc but basically it is a bridge with all ports connected together.
Kari
