G'day Dave,
Nice!
Thanks, Yeah I was more than a bit hot for it also. Looks like it came
out of Ford Aerospace and Comms Corp (P.S. FAAC Best acronym next to our
old one of FACOM which was changed when someone heard a .jp accent
saying "FAKKUM" to one of the clients *G*). No clue how it ended up in
Adelaide unless they were doing defence contracting.
Huh? That's a J-11 based board, and I'm pretty sure the CIS option
for the J-11, while planned, was never actually shipped. It would
have
been two additional chip carriers on the bottom side of the big white
J11 multi-carrier chip.
The only ROMs on a KDJ11-Bx board contain the boot/diag code, not
microcode, and conversely, the only microcode on a KDJ11-Bx (or any
J11-based board for that matter) is in the microcode ROM, which is a
part of the "control" chip, which is one the two chips on the J11
multi-chip carrier itself. No microaddress lines or any other
internal
state machine stuff is brought out to the pins of a J11.
(sorry!)
You CAN, however, get a CIS option (if you can find it!) for your
11/23! I too would love to mess with CIS a bit; I've never done so.
I
have two CIS option board sets for my 11/44s but have not yet
installed
them.
Nice! (tm) .. got a photo's of the 11/44 option? Really wondering about
the /23Plus. If the option for it is just PROM's that should be pretty
easy to reproduce.
Al.
G'day Johnny,
Okay, then "someone on the internet is wrong" (tm) .. will accept your
version of it. :)
Was going off this site:
http://www.cpu-galaxy.at/Boards/Boards_CPU/Boards_CPU.htm ..and a
couple of others that've probably sourced it.
Okay, I'll check the 23Plus when I get home. Might get lucky there and
be able to have a play with it there. On topic, seems to work in the
quick test (sadly had work to do at home) I did last night which was a
couple of memory fills so that's promising.
Right. So no CIS for 83/94, but there is for 23Plus.
Thanks for the straightening out :)
Al.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2012 5:45 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] pdp-11/83-84
On 2012-07-05 09:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-07-05 08:22, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
G'day $ALL.
Quick question. I've just snaffled an M8190-AE with what I think is
the
21-21853-06 FPU as an upgrade for either the 11/70 or 11/23Plus at
home.
I've seen reference to CIS microcode for these boards about the
place
and am extremely keen to have a go at it with macro. I'm not
"actually"
sure if it has it in the PROMS, but being handy with a EPROM
programmer
hopefully I can find it. Does anyone have any reading material on
how to
figure out if the CIS microcode is installed ?
This CIS option is not a PROM, even though it might sound like that.
It's more like a co-processor.
If the CIS options is installed, you can easily see that,
physically, by
the large chips next to the CPU. If it's not there, you have some
empty
sockets...
Oh! And Darn! I should have checked proper. The M8190 is indeed the
11/83 and 11/84 CPUs. That's a J11 CPU. There is *no* CIS for this
CPU.
I thought you were talking about the 11/23+ and 11/24 in my first
reply.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 07/05/2012 02:22 AM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
Quick question. I've just snaffled an M8190-AE with what I think is the
21-21853-06 FPU as an upgrade for either the 11/70 or 11/23Plus at home.
Nice!
I've seen reference to CIS microcode for these boards about the place
and am extremely keen to have a go at it with macro. I'm not "actually"
sure if it has it in the PROMS, but being handy with a EPROM programmer
hopefully I can find it. Does anyone have any reading material on how to
figure out if the CIS microcode is installed ?
Huh? That's a J-11 based board, and I'm pretty sure the CIS option
for the J-11, while planned, was never actually shipped. It would have
been two additional chip carriers on the bottom side of the big white
J11 multi-carrier chip.
The only ROMs on a KDJ11-Bx board contain the boot/diag code, not
microcode, and conversely, the only microcode on a KDJ11-Bx (or any
J11-based board for that matter) is in the microcode ROM, which is a
part of the "control" chip, which is one the two chips on the J11
multi-chip carrier itself. No microaddress lines or any other internal
state machine stuff is brought out to the pins of a J11.
(sorry!)
You CAN, however, get a CIS option (if you can find it!) for your
11/23! I too would love to mess with CIS a bit; I've never done so. I
have two CIS option board sets for my 11/44s but have not yet installed
them.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2012-07-05 09:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-07-05 08:22, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
G'day $ALL.
Quick question. I've just snaffled an M8190-AE with what I think is the
21-21853-06 FPU as an upgrade for either the 11/70 or 11/23Plus at home.
I've seen reference to CIS microcode for these boards about the place
and am extremely keen to have a go at it with macro. I'm not "actually"
sure if it has it in the PROMS, but being handy with a EPROM programmer
hopefully I can find it. Does anyone have any reading material on how to
figure out if the CIS microcode is installed ?
This CIS option is not a PROM, even though it might sound like that.
It's more like a co-processor.
If the CIS options is installed, you can easily see that, physically, by
the large chips next to the CPU. If it's not there, you have some empty
sockets...
Oh! And Darn! I should have checked proper. The M8190 is indeed the 11/83 and 11/84 CPUs. That's a J11 CPU. There is *no* CIS for this CPU.
I thought you were talking about the 11/23+ and 11/24 in my first reply.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2012-07-05 08:22, Boyanich, Alastair wrote:
G'day $ALL.
Quick question. I've just snaffled an M8190-AE with what I think is the
21-21853-06 FPU as an upgrade for either the 11/70 or 11/23Plus at home.
I've seen reference to CIS microcode for these boards about the place
and am extremely keen to have a go at it with macro. I'm not "actually"
sure if it has it in the PROMS, but being handy with a EPROM programmer
hopefully I can find it. Does anyone have any reading material on how to
figure out if the CIS microcode is installed ?
This CIS option is not a PROM, even though it might sound like that. It's more like a co-processor.
If the CIS options is installed, you can easily see that, physically, by the large chips next to the CPU. If it's not there, you have some empty sockets...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
G'day $ALL.
Quick question. I've just snaffled an M8190-AE with what I think is the
21-21853-06 FPU as an upgrade for either the 11/70 or 11/23Plus at home.
I've seen reference to CIS microcode for these boards about the place
and am extremely keen to have a go at it with macro. I'm not "actually"
sure if it has it in the PROMS, but being handy with a EPROM programmer
hopefully I can find it. Does anyone have any reading material on how to
figure out if the CIS microcode is installed ?
Al.
On 07/04/2012 06:00 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 04/07/12 06:47, Dave McGuire wrote:
Hey folks, does anyone here have contact info for whomever owns
9track.net?
Thanks,
-Dave
scope.matthew at btinternet.com
Got it. Thanks!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 3.7.2012 9:12, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 07/02/2012 11:02 PM, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Would anyone on the list recall when the first generation Vaxes were off and
running? For example I know that in the time frame when "Cuckoo's Egg"
happened we were right in the middle of the model series that DEC happened
to be building. But that the BSD release that ran on those was from the 4
series.
The first VAX was the VAX-11/780, which was announced in late 1977 and
shipped in early 1978, if memory serves. (if that was what you were
wondering about)
-Dave
Quite right.
Gregg, please check this:
http://www.dtjcd.vmsresource.org.uk/pdfs/dtj_v07-01_1995-insert.pdf
Kari
