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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though. Yep, me too. So...get to it! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:00 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 06:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 06:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 06:41 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I'll make one up for you. But first, let's try to figure out what's going wrong. I'm installing everything that it asks to install and it copies everything to disk, so I must be forgetting a step outside of the installer. Ok, I've just done a (another) clean install from that tape image. After the install was done, I logged in as [1,2] and ran a sysgen. Everything worked fine. Why don't you tell me exactly what you're doing, in detail. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 06:41 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I must be terrible at installing RSTS/E, used TQ, and post-install I still can't run sysgen ;) (yeah, I know I could've generated it from the installer but that's not the point). Define "can't run sysgen". ;) What's happening? Same problem? Yeah, same problem, is there a layered product i'm forgetting or a post-reboot login configuration step? Happen to have a pre-built rsts/e disk around? I seem to be terrible at installing it myself. I'll make one up for you. But first, let's try to figure out what's going wrong. I'm installing everything that it asks to install and it copies everything to disk, so I must be forgetting a step outside of the installer. There's a sysgen.sil in [0,1] but that doesn't seem to be a recognised executable. This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. I'm going to run through it again here. Document the steps in case i'm forgetting one. :) About sysgen.sil; that's a SIL, Saved Image Library. That's the format monitors are saved in; you don't execute those under RSTS directly. Ah, that would explain it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 3 months

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