On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
El 28/10/2012, a les 18:18, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
DECmail is also installed but not configured. And I may've just figured out why DECnet wasn't working, I'm going to go read the documentation and post back.
Okay, I've maybe made progress.
Alpha connecting to the RSTS/E system:
$ set host 33.301
%SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHOBJ, network object is unknown at remote node
And on 33.301:
Event type 34.1, Object spawn failure
Occurred 15-Oct-25 13:11:52.6 on node 33.301 (GEWT1)
Reason: Unknown Object identification
Source node = 33.302
Source process = 0 556 0 SYSTEM
Destination process = 42
(I have no idea what's with the 15-OCT-25, the date is set correctly on the system )
Attempting to reach 33.302 from 33.301:
$ set host 33.302
Connection Established to VAX/VMS Node 33.302
?Unsupported Virtual Terminal Protocol.
And it just times out when the VAX tries to contact the RSTS/E system/RSTS/E system tries to contact the VAX. VAX and ALPHA can reach each other and the Alpha can reach HECnet via the VAX
Any ideas?
RSTS does not support the CTERM protocol. It needs the old RTERM. I'm not sure if VMS Alpha supports it. VMS VAX 7.3 does:
$ set host/app=rterm bitxot
%REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol
%REM-I-REMOTE, connection established to remote node BITXOT::
RSTS V10.1-L 28-Oct-12 19:37
User: 200,1
Password:
Last interactive login on 28-Oct-12, 19:36 at KB37:
Last non-interactive login on 06-Jun-12, 00:59
Tried that. The result?
$ set host/app=rterm 33.301
%REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol
%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000517000008AA4, PC=0000517000008AA4, PS=0000001B
Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.
Signal arguments: Number = 0000000000000005
Name = 000000000000000C
0000000000000000
0000517000008AA4
0000517000008AA4
000000000000001B
Register dump:
R0 = 0000000000000003 R1 = 0000000000008F50 R2 = 0000000000008134
R3 = 0000000000034804 R4 = 000000007FFCF814 R5 = 0000000000009AEF
R6 = 0000000000000000 R7 = 0000000000000001 R8 = 000000000003481D
R9 = 000000007FF9DDF0 R10 = 000000007FFA4F28 R11 = 000000007FFCDC18
R12 = 000000007FFCDA98 R13 = 0000000000005170 R14 = 0000000000008E28
R15 = 0000000000008E28 R16 = 0000000002A83089 R17 = 0000000000200000
R18 = FFFFFFFF809043A0 R19 = FFFFFFFF816367D0 R20 = 0000000000000002
R21 = 0000000000000000 R22 = 000000007AE4BA54 R23 = FFFFFFFF80190A50
R24 = 0000000000000001 R25 = 0000000000000003 R26 = FFFFFFFF80190A8C
R27 = 000000007AE4BA54 R28 = 0000000000000006 R29 = 000000007AE4BA60
SP = 000000007AE4BA30 PC = 0000517000008AA4 PS = 300000000000001B
$
Yeah. I've broken something somewhere...
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 07:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it,
but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route
any time I need to build a monitor
Urr? You did a CLEAN install on a blank destination disk? From the
tape image that I gave you? I just did it that way..
Well it wasn't blank, but I did choose "erase", so maybe that was my mistake. Regardless, I know what to do next time I need to install RSTS/E just need to fix the DECnet issues.
How might I go about adding "users" in RSTS/E?
$ CREATE/ACCOUNT
(see "help create /account")
Note: An "account" under RSTS/E can mean a "user account" that gets
logged into, or just a "directory". That can be confusing. Just bear
that in mind as you read.
Okay, thanks!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 07:31 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it,
but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route
any time I need to build a monitor
Urr? You did a CLEAN install on a blank destination disk? From the
tape image that I gave you? I just did it that way..
How might I go about adding "users" in RSTS/E?
$ CREATE/ACCOUNT
(see "help create /account")
Note: An "account" under RSTS/E can mean a "user account" that gets
logged into, or just a "directory". That can be confusing. Just bear
that in mind as you read.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 07:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor.
I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind.
Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though.
Yep, me too. So...get to it! ;)
Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor
How might I go about adding "users" in RSTS/E?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 07:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor.
I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind.
Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though.
Yep, me too. So...get to it! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect
what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the
sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed.
I will verify this here and get back to you shortly.
Yep, that was it.
Wow.
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor.
I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind.
Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect
what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the
sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed.
I will verify this here and get back to you shortly.
Yep, that was it.
Wow.
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor.
I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely
simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot
figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$:
Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt
monitor, or to build a monitor at that time?
Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools?
I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect
what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the
sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed.
I will verify this here and get back to you shortly.
Yep, that was it.
Wow.
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely
simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot
figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$:
Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt
monitor, or to build a monitor at that time?
Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools?
I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect
what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the
sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed.
I will verify this here and get back to you shortly.
Yep, that was it.
Wow.
Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at
installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir
sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;))
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/28/2012 07:00 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing
everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What
could possibly be different here?
You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious.
Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely
simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot
figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$:
Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt
monitor, or to build a monitor at that time?
Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools?
I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect
what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the
sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed.
I will verify this here and get back to you shortly.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA