On 2012-10-30 04:47, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
On 30 Oct 2012, at 05:46, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:41 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
God I love this mailing list, I have no idea of half the stuff people are talking about, but it's all nifty.
I expected this mailing list to be less helpful with regards to my noob questions, I was pleasantly surprised.
I've learned quite a bit from this mailing list in a short while. ;)
On that note, we really should be archiving this stuff. I think I've got most mails going back a few years in my inbox still (I don't believe in folders, that's why search was invented).
I probably have everything, but it's mixed with personal messages to me related to HECnet as well, so it would take a little work to clean it up for access.
Johnny
On 2012-10-30 04:30, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/29/2012 10:55 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I missed that part, that's an actual PDP-11? Can we get a photo or something?
Here you go, taken just now:
http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-1.jpghttp://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-2.jpg
Not exactly quality portraits, but you get the idea. ;) I can take
some better ones if you guys are interested in some quality DECporn. ;)
I'd enjoy some quality DECporn. :p
Unrelated: but if you ever want an interesting and absolutely useless task, you should try and set that up as a fuzzball. I found a bit of a "guide" but couldn't get it working in simh, could prove challenging to get the files to real disks though.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Don't laugh folks. At one point I actually wanted an LSI-11 here to
work with. Then I ran out of space.... Now I'm interested in this
thing:
Models without standard bus
PDT-11/150
PDT-11/110
PDT-11/130
PDT-11/150
The PDT series were desktop systems marketed as "smart terminals". The
/110 and /130 were housed in a VT100 terminal enclosure. The /150 was
housed in a table-top unit which included two 8 inch floppy drives,
three asynchronous serial ports, one printer port, one modem port and
one synchronous serial port and required an external terminal. All
three employed the same chipset as used on the LSI-11/03 and LSI-11/2
in four "microm"s. There was an option which combined two of the
microms into one dual carrier, freeing one socket for an EIS/FIS chip.
The /150 in combination with a VT105 terminal was also sold as
MiniMINC, a budget version of the MINC-11.
I abstracted the text from this Wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11 .
I figured that of all of the machines we know that one is least well
known. I'm not sure what I can do with any of them, but I certainly
hope I could manage something appropriate to what we are discussing.
Incidentally Dave I'm still waiting.
Outside your place are a van of frustrated yetis and related
individuals in a brown van who're waiting and watching.
You can alternatively look for a VT103 as well, since that is pretty much the same thing as a PDT-11/130.
If you do some wiring on the Qbus backplane, you can do 22-bit. Throw in an 11/93 CPU, SCSI and what else, and you'll have an awesome system in a VT100 body.
Johnny
Oh, c'mon. There is plenty of real hardware on HECnet... Including some really big iron. :-)
Johnny
On 2012-10-30 04:24, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is this a node on HECnet BTW?
Because if so, it really should be on the front page of the website...
Sampsa
On 30 Oct 2012, at 05:03, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/29/2012 10:55 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I missed that part, that's an actual PDP-11? Can we get a photo or something?
Here you go, taken just now:
http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-1.jpghttp://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-2.jpg
Not exactly quality portraits, but you get the idea. ;) I can take
some better ones if you guys are interested in some quality DECporn. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:40 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/30/2012 03:01 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a
VAXstation.
I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad
2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;)
Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up
with a sweet system for that.
Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save
for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked
and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of
them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the
box...
Hmmm. Ok. Let's take this off-list. (tomorrow...about to crash here)
Yeah, okay. Tomorrow.
Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock?
Nope.
Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G
of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have
the display, too.
That's, umm, not terribly useful. ;) What happened to it??
It had several issues. The power system was touchy...it would be fine for months, then it would sometimes endlessly turn itself on and off (for a better description I'd need to consult logs...it's been awhile), graphics would glitch, disc drive loved oftentimes not working, it couldn't boot from USB CDROM. It couldn't do hardware-assisted virt, the NIC might not have been GigE, short battery life. It wasn't very old either...
Even more amusing? It was a product model that did not exist. The model did not appear on the manufacturer's website.
So I scrapped it for useful parts.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/30/2012 03:01 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a
VAXstation.
I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad
2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;)
Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up
with a sweet system for that.
Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save
for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked
and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of
them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the
box...
Hmmm. Ok. Let's take this off-list. (tomorrow...about to crash here)
Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock?
Nope.
Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G
of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have
the display, too.
That's, umm, not terribly useful. ;) What happened to it??
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/30/2012 02:33 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium
running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;)
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a
VAXstation.
I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 +
bluetooth keyboardcase. ;)
Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up
with a sweet system for that.
Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the box...
Can I pay in floppy disks or a PowerMac 8600? :p
I'm thinking no. ;)
I'm fairly positive you don't want any Pentium 4 systems
Co-rrectamundo.
How about paying in weird things? West Side Story soundtrack on
vinyl? 320G 7200RPM laptop drive? AMD HomePNA? (I forget which model)
Video Professor: Learn Microsoft Works (I only found level 3, so this
can go in "especially weird"). 802.11b PCMCIA Card? PCI IDE
Controller? 4.1 channel speaker system for a computer? Nvidia FX
5200? PCI sound card with digital output I forget the name of?
Windows 98 keys? Nintendo Wii? WordPerfect 7?
16G SCSI drives? SCSI CD-ROM drive? IDE PCI Controller?
No wood there, either.
Older modem Android phone? (Motorola Droid 2, verizon, pretty useless
as a anything other than a wifi device now).
Might be interested in that, but only mildly so.
I don't need it. It just sits on a desk gathering dust.
Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock?
Anything in particular you or anyone you know is looking for that's
PC-related? Need an older MIDI controller? Need some Pentium 3s?
Laptop Core2 Duo?
I can find a use for a C2D-based laptop.
Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have the display, too.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/30/2012 02:33 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium
running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;)
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a
VAXstation.
I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 +
bluetooth keyboardcase. ;)
Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up
with a sweet system for that.
Can I pay in floppy disks or a PowerMac 8600? :p
I'm thinking no. ;)
I'm fairly positive you don't want any Pentium 4 systems
Co-rrectamundo.
How about paying in weird things? West Side Story soundtrack on
vinyl? 320G 7200RPM laptop drive? AMD HomePNA? (I forget which model)
Video Professor: Learn Microsoft Works (I only found level 3, so this
can go in "especially weird"). 802.11b PCMCIA Card? PCI IDE
Controller? 4.1 channel speaker system for a computer? Nvidia FX
5200? PCI sound card with digital output I forget the name of?
Windows 98 keys? Nintendo Wii? WordPerfect 7?
16G SCSI drives? SCSI CD-ROM drive? IDE PCI Controller?
No wood there, either.
Older modem Android phone? (Motorola Droid 2, verizon, pretty useless
as a anything other than a wifi device now).
Might be interested in that, but only mildly so.
Anything in particular you or anyone you know is looking for that's
PC-related? Need an older MIDI controller? Need some Pentium 3s?
Laptop Core2 Duo?
I can find a use for a C2D-based laptop.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 30 Oct 2012, at 02:14, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/30/2012 02:10 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium
running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;)
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation.
I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;)
Can I pay in floppy disks or a PowerMac 8600? :p
I'm fairly positive you don't want any Pentium 4 systems
How about paying in weird things? West Side Story soundtrack on vinyl? 320G 7200RPM laptop drive?
AMD HomePNA? (I forget which model) Video Professor: Learn Microsoft Works (I only found level 3, so this can go in "especially weird"). 802.11b PCMCIA Card? PCI IDE Controller? 4.1 channel speaker system for a computer? Nvidia FX 5200? PCI sound card with digital output I forget the name of? Windows 98 keys? Nintendo Wii? WordPerfect 7?
16G SCSI drives? SCSI CD-ROM drive? IDE PCI Controller?
Trying to think of other weird stuff I have that might be worth something to someone somewhere somehow
Older modem Android phone? (Motorola Droid 2, verizon, pretty useless as a anything other than a wifi device now).
Anything in particular you or anyone you know is looking for that's PC-related? Need an older MIDI controller? Need some Pentium 3s? Laptop Core2 Duo?
How long did you use the Sun3? And did you run SunOS on it? ;)
Of course. I ran a Sun3/50 for a few years, then a 4/110, then a
SPARCstation-1+, then a SPARCstation-IPX...then...jeeze, dozens of
machines. Dozens. Continuing to this day; the central computer here is
a Sun Fire V480, whose (large) workload is slowly being migrated to a
T1000. (which may get upgraded to a T2000 before the migration is complete)
Suns have done all the heavy lifting for me for nigh on twenty years now.
(I think it might be bad that Suns immediately remind me of
UNIX-HATERS )
Yeah. I know a bunch of those guys. Most of them hate *everything*. ;)
They do seem to hate everything. ;)
As my NAS currently runs in a VM, I'd need to upgrade the host a bit
to give it 8G (the host has 12G, and I get kinda nervous without
insane amounts of RAM free for future expansion) Also, why not use it
for /var?! You NEED that level of redundancy for storing X session
errors ;)
Yeah, that's it! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/30/2012 02:10 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium
running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;)
Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation.
How long did you use the Sun3? And did you run SunOS on it? ;)
Of course. I ran a Sun3/50 for a few years, then a 4/110, then a
SPARCstation-1+, then a SPARCstation-IPX...then...jeeze, dozens of
machines. Dozens. Continuing to this day; the central computer here is
a Sun Fire V480, whose (large) workload is slowly being migrated to a
T1000. (which may get upgraded to a T2000 before the migration is complete)
Suns have done all the heavy lifting for me for nigh on twenty years now.
(I think it might be bad that Suns immediately remind me of
UNIX-HATERS )
Yeah. I know a bunch of those guys. Most of them hate *everything*. ;)
As my NAS currently runs in a VM, I'd need to upgrade the host a bit
to give it 8G (the host has 12G, and I get kinda nervous without
insane amounts of RAM free for future expansion) Also, why not use it
for /var?! You NEED that level of redundancy for storing X session
errors ;)
Yeah, that's it! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 10/30/2012 01:06 AM, John Wilson wrote:
I had a PDT-11/150 many years ago, mid-80s. It was kinda fun, but
also kinda pointless. The only thing you can run on it is RT-11.
I had one too back then and had a blast! RT-11 is terrific (infinitely
better than contemporary microcomputer OSes), and anyway a 150 will run
pretty much anything an 11/03 will run (but with 30 KW of memory instead of
just 28) so it's really pretty flexible.
JOHN! You're alive! How have you been?
Please don't take my comments the wrong way. I love ALL things PDP.
I'm just accustomed to RSTS/E and RSX-11M, "big" OSs. Little ones don't
really do much for me. That's all.
I wrote a FORTH-79 system on mine
(including a stand-alone 4-user version with a blinky NULJOB display on the
two LEDs), and a PDP-8 cross-assembler, and one side of a two-user "pong"
game that worked over the modem, and ported Small-C to it, and did a zillion
other things I don't even remember. Something or other with a Microsoft
serial mouse plugged into the modem port? It was such a great machine!!!
Neat!!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
