On 2013-06-10 23:20, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was
RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by
TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :)
I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else.
God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though...
The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but...
"CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8."
Yeah, in this case I'd take Wikipedia with a large grain of salt...
Actually, also, if you look further down the Wikipedia article on CP/M, you'll find this:
"Various aspects of CP/M were influenced by the TOPS-10 operating system of the DECsystem-10 mainframe computer, which Kildall had used as a development environment."
Isn't it wonderful how you'll find contradictory information even within the same article. This latter quote however, provides references...
Johnny
On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was
RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by
TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :)
I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else.
God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though...
The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but...
"CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8."
I don't know OS/8. But pre-DCL RT-11 (for example, V2) had a command language very similar to that of TOPS-10. For that matter, you can still see it today in the RT11 RTS that comes with RSTS/E (not surprising because that was written by Anton Chernoff, who also worked on RT11-FB V2 among other things).
paul
El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was
RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by
TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :)
I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else.
God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though...
The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but...
"CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8."
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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On 2013-06-10 23:06, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 10/06/2013, a les 18:25, Bill Pechter <pechter at gmail.com
<mailto:pechter at gmail.com>> va escriure:
Please... correct the history.
What are the errors?
I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was
RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by
TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :)
I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else.
God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though...
Johnny
El 10/06/2013, a les 18:25, Bill Pechter <pechter at gmail.com> va escriure:
Please... correct the history.
What are the errors?
I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On 2013-06-10 19:23, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Did anyone see another announcement, separate from the above attached
roadmap from Ric Lewis? In his letter, it states:
"We are committed to providing you updates and support for the V8.4
OpenVMS operating environment through /at least/ December 31, 2020." (my
italics)
Surely /The Register/ did not base its article on this alone. Its not
seemingly unlike HP to publish this type of "at least / until" roadmap
for other technologies (e.g. Itanium).
There has been some more meat if you search around. I think some was posted to this list a couple of days ago. Essentially HP have said that the VMS will not be ported to the "new" Poulson chip. Support for anything other than VMS V8.4 will cease within a few years, and 8.4 will be supported until at least 2020. They have published the roadmap, and there is no mention of any new version, and they have said they will not add new hardware. What more do you need? :-)
Johnny
SIIKA is a SIMH VAX running OpenVMS 7.3, SIIKAX is (broken) Ubuntu 13.04 box.
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On 10 Jun 2013, at 19:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-06-10 17:56, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Johnny,
Can you change
47.1001 SIIKAX
to
47.1001 SIIKA
and add
47.1002 SIIKAX
please
Done. Do have any any specifics for them for me to add? Like CPU, OS and Location? :-)
Johnny
On 2013-06-10 17:56, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Johnny,
Can you change
47.1001 SIIKAX
to
47.1001 SIIKA
and add
47.1002 SIIKAX
please
Done. Do have any any specifics for them for me to add? Like CPU, OS and Location? :-)
Johnny
Did anyone see another announcement, separate from the above attached roadmap from Ric Lewis? In his letter, it states:
"We are committed to providing you updates and support for the V8.4 OpenVMS operating environment through at least December 31, 2020." (my italics)
Surely The Register did not base its article on this alone. Its not seemingly unlike HP to publish this type of "at least / until" roadmap for other technologies (e.g. Itanium).
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
A couple of details wrong in the history, but an interesting piece none the less: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/10/openvms_death_notice/
Please... correct the history.
What are the errors?
Bill
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
A couple of details wrong in the history, but an interesting piece none the less: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/10/openvms_death_notice/
