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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/11/2013 10:44 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: I would like to play with Ultrix too. I tried to install it some time ago and didn't succeed (no docs, a probably corrupted media image...). Are there viable media available somewhere? Docs? I have tape images for Ultrix/VAX v4.0. I have a physical CD for it as well, but possibly a later release, as well as one for MIPS, but I've not yet imaged them. I don't recall their release numbers because I haven't seen them in probably fifteen years, but I know what box they're in. I will try to dig them up soon. Docs...It's BSD UNIX, man! Yet the package management is partially SysV. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-06-12 17:18, Clem Cole wrote: below On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: The last release of Ultrix was something like 4.6 (I'll have the check my notes, but I'm traveling) - and on PMAX and VAX. V4.5 was the last. Ok, that sounds right, I remembered that their was something post the R4000 work (V4.4), but I'd forgotten how many. I think V4.5 only came about because of some Y2K issues. I don't think there was anything else meaningful in there as compared to V4.4. Over the course of time, Ultrix ran on: PDP-11 models with a MMU both with and without separated I/D space, most of not all of the Vaxen (except for the 9000 I believe), and MIPS 2K,3K,4K systems that Digital made. Actually, if I remember right, the 9000 is supported by Ultrix. However, the 7000/10000 systems are not. But I might also be remembering things wrong. I think you are remembering correctly on both accounts. I remember their was a push by the OS team to decommit Ultrix in favor of what would become Tru64 (aka OSF/1) started around that time. Sounds likely. I bet there was some interesting times at that point. Also, Ultrix-11 don't have a strong relationship with Ultrix that runs on VAXen or Mips machines. Johnny Hello! I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I was more interested in Ultrix on MIPS support then NT support on it. Incidentally Cory and Dave the monsters are off this week. Something about a union meeting else where. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-12 17:18, Clem Cole wrote: below On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: The last release of Ultrix was something like 4.6 (I'll have the check my notes, but I'm traveling) - and on PMAX and VAX. V4.5 was the last. Ok, that sounds right, I remembered that their was something post the R4000 work (V4.4), but I'd forgotten how many. I think V4.5 only came about because of some Y2K issues. I don't think there was anything else meaningful in there as compared to V4.4. Over the course of time, Ultrix ran on: PDP-11 models with a MMU both with and without separated I/D space, most of not all of the Vaxen (except for the 9000 I believe), and MIPS 2K,3K,4K systems that Digital made. Actually, if I remember right, the 9000 is supported by Ultrix. However, the 7000/10000 systems are not. But I might also be remembering things wrong. I think you are remembering correctly on both accounts. I remember their was a push by the OS team to decommit Ultrix in favor of what would become Tru64 (aka OSF/1) started around that time. Sounds likely. I bet there was some interesting times at that point. Also, Ultrix-11 don't have a strong relationship with Ultrix that runs on VAXen or Mips machines. Johnny

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by clemc＠ccc.com

below On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: The last release of Ultrix was something like 4.6 (I'll have the check my notes, but I'm traveling) - and on PMAX and VAX. V4.5 was the last. Ok, that sounds right, I remembered that their was something post the R4000 work (V4.4), but I'd forgotten how many. Over the course of time, Ultrix ran on: PDP-11 models with a MMU both with and without separated I/D space, most of not all of the Vaxen (except for the 9000 I believe), and MIPS 2K,3K,4K systems that Digital made. Actually, if I remember right, the 9000 is supported by Ultrix. However, the 7000/10000 systems are not. But I might also be remembering things wrong. I think you are remembering correctly on both accounts. I remember their was a push by the OS team to decommit Ultrix in favor of what would become Tru64 (aka OSF/1) started around that time. Clem

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-11 21:16, Clem Cole wrote: C heck out "the Unix Heritage Society": http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl to see what was "released" to the world. My memory is that DEC only released a very early version of Ultrix. I don't think DEC did release any parts of Ultrix for free, but I might be wrong. Ultrix-11 is covered by the ancient Unix license though, apart from the DEC specific bits and pieces. The last release of Ultrix was something like 4.6 (I'll have the check my notes, but I'm traveling) - and on PMAX and VAX. V4.5 was the last. Over the course of time, Ultrix ran on: PDP-11 models with a MMU both with and without separated I/D space, most of not all of the Vaxen (except for the 9000 I believe), and MIPS 2K,3K,4K systems that Digital made. Actually, if I remember right, the 9000 is supported by Ultrix. However, the 7000/10000 systems are not. But I might also be remembering things wrong. Johnny Historical note: the original Alpha HW was brought up running Ultrix, but that was never a product ;-) Later version of Ultrix will run best on PMAX's made with a MIPS 4400 - which was the last "new" processor that Ultrix supported. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com <mailto:jferraro at gmail.com>> wrote: Admittedly, posting without quick research, apologies... Where does one come by Ultrix sources these days, is it hobbyist licensable (or "abandonware"), and what hardware is needed? Joe On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> wrote: I'm going for Ultrix for now - I'm a total TOPS-20 noob, would need a lot of hand-holding to get the thing to run I fear... sampsa <sampsa at mac.com <mailto:sampsa at mac.com>> mobile +961 788 10537 <tel:%2B961%20788%2010537> On 11 Jun 2013, at 11:36, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com <mailto:robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>> wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> [mailto:owner- <mailto:owner-> >> hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>] On Behalf Of Jordi Guillaumes i Pons >> Sent: 11 June 2013 09:13 >> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE> >> Cc: Sampsa Laine >> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image >> ready to run? >> >> Al 11/06/13 10:05, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: >>> Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run >> TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? >>> >>> Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? >> For TOPS-20, you can enable DECNET in the panda distribution with not too >> much effort. I tried to explain how to do it here: >> >> http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html >> >> The main problem is the network setup. You will have to work in shared >> mode and it can wreck the host machine NIC. > > Aren't we mixing up a couple of things here? > > The Panda distribution, as far as I know, runs on the KL, which SIMH does > not emulate. SIMH emulates the KS and right now you can't run DECnet on the > KS. There is work being done now to bring the KMC/DUP emulation to SIMH to > allow DECnet to run on the KS. You should contact the SIMH mailing list for > status on this. > > Regards > > Rob >

11 years, 5 months

Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-12 16:42, Clem Cole wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: ust run a sed command such as "s/^def/set/" and you have what you need as well. But using awk has higher geek creds. Funny, considering that I use awk way more often than sed... :-) Then again, I don't think any one solved the Tower of Hanoi in Awk, but it was done in a sed script. ;-) Hmm. Doing it in awk seems like it should be pretty easy. Doing it in sed, however... Ugh! Johnny

11 years, 5 months

Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: ust run a sed command such as "s/^def/set/" and you have what you need as well. But using awk has higher geek creds. Then again, I don't think any one solved the Tower of Hanoi in Awk, but it was done in a sed script. ;-) Clem

11 years, 5 months

Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-12 15:46, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 11/06/13 23:20, En/na Tony Blews ha escrit: Hi all, I've got a couple of questions concerning Linux and Ultrix and DECnet. So, in rough order... 1) Is there an easy way to copy the node list into the /etc/decnet.conf filewithout a lot faffing about and making the file up manually?* * *I us*e an awk script to convert the output of a LIST KNOWN NODES to SET NODE commands (to feed the SETNOD utility): /^Remote node/ { nodnaml = length($5); nodnam = substr($5, 2, nodnaml-2); printf("SET NODE %s NAME %s\n", $4, nodnam); } You could grab fix.cmd from mim, and just run a sed command such as "s/^def/set/" and you have what you need as well. Or fix.com, if that amuses you more. Or grab nodenames.txt, and create what you need from there. Those files are always up to date... It should be quite easy to generate the decnet/linux nodetable instead. Indeed. Johnny

11 years, 5 months

Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by sampsa＠mac.com

Can anyone provide pointers on how to (re)configure DECNET on Ultrix? I've got a working SIMH image with it installed and licensed, just wrong node data (courtesy of Cory) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:20, Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, I've got a couple of questions concerning Linux and Ultrix and DECnet. So, in rough order... 1) Is there an easy way to copy the node list into the /etc/decnet.conf file without a lot faffing about and making the file up manually? 2) How can I get DECnet back into the Raspbian kernel without recompiling the whole thing? I haven't recompiled a Linux kernel for about 16 years, so I pretty much have so idea what I'm doing. 3) (Ok, three is not a couple, except in certain *special* circumstances) Has anyone managed to get DECnet working with Ultrix 4.0 and SimH? Where can I get some licenses from? 4) (Proving that I really can't count) Is HECnet broke at the moment? Tony.

11 years, 5 months

Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 11/06/13 23:20, En/na Tony Blews ha escrit: Hi all, I've got a couple of questions concerning Linux and Ultrix and DECnet. So, in rough order... 1) Is there an easy way to copy the node list into the /etc/decnet.conf file without a lot faffing about and making the file up manually? I use an awk script to convert the output of a LIST KNOWN NODES to SET NODE commands (to feed the SETNOD utility): /^Remote node/ { nodnaml = length($5); nodnam = substr($5, 2, nodnaml-2); printf("SET NODE %s NAME %s\n", $4, nodnam); } It should be quite easy to generate the decnet/linux nodetable instead. 2) How can I get DECnet back into the Raspbian kernel without recompiling the whole thing? I haven't recompiled a Linux kernel for about 16 years, so I pretty much have so idea what I'm doing. AFAIK you can't. So yes, you have to rebuild the kernel. And its painful (it used to be easier). On the other hand, I'm not sure it is worth to do it. Routing is severily broken, and endnode is not really so useful. 4) (Proving that I really can't count) Is HECnet broke at the moment? It seems there have been power issues with Johnny's site, but other than that it is working for me.

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