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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: Yet the package management is partially SysV. ;) Yikes what are describing/thinking? setld was the Ultrix/Tru64 installation/package manager and it was an creation of ZKO. Many (most of us maybe) that it was a #$%^ nightmare and had nothing to do with BSD or System V. I personally when on a small campaign in the late 1990s to kill setld and get them to use something closer to what the ISV were used too, but could never get the folks move.

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/12/2013 02:30 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/12/2013 01:53 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I would like to play with Ultrix too. I tried to install it some time ago and didn't succeed (no docs, a probably corrupted media image...). Are there viable media available somewhere? Docs? I have tape images for Ultrix/VAX v4.0. I have a physical CD for it as well, but possibly a later release, as well as one for MIPS, but I've not yet imaged them. I don't recall their release numbers because I haven't seen them in probably fifteen years, but I know what box they're in. I will try to dig them up soon. Docs...It's BSD UNIX, man! Yet the package management is partially SysV. ;) Package management?! By package management I mean: "using setld to install packages from tape". Oh wow, good old setld. Yes, I do remember that. It's so primitive that I didn't even think of it as "package management" in today's terms. Wait a minute. Was setld present in any SysV implementations? (Seriously, I ran Ultrix on my desktop for years, didn't even know it HAD package management...I built everything from source.) Like a real UNIX user! :) Well yes. ;) Thank you. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/12/2013 02:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I blame X for that. ;) I still have that happen...on modern intel crap. X never did that on far, far slower hardware. X was pretty good even on very slow hardware, though the first VAXstation with its one bit per pixel dumb bitmap display was iffy. But it was far better than its predecessor (VAXwindows? I forgot what it was called -- a VMS-specific windowing system developed at DEC, and dumped after a year in favor of X. paul

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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Still, anybody know of the 'correct' way of installing UUCP on this? It seems quite clever, it configured sendmail to deal with mail-11 in and out, I figured if I use the 'official' packages to install UUCP, it'll do the same. Should be on the tape. Not sure which tape, but it should be on said tape. But I'm an optimist. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 12 Jun 2013, at 20:19, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 06/12/2013 02:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I blame X for that. ;) I still have that happen...on modern intel crap. X never did that on far, far slower hardware. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 06/12/2013 01:53 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I would like to play with Ultrix too. I tried to install it some time ago and didn't succeed (no docs, a probably corrupted media image...). Are there viable media available somewhere? Docs? I have tape images for Ultrix/VAX v4.0. I have a physical CD for it as well, but possibly a later release, as well as one for MIPS, but I've not yet imaged them. I don't recall their release numbers because I haven't seen them in probably fifteen years, but I know what box they're in. I will try to dig them up soon. Docs...It's BSD UNIX, man! Yet the package management is partially SysV. ;) Package management?! By package management I mean: "using setld to install packages from tape". (Seriously, I ran Ultrix on my desktop for years, didn't even know it HAD package management...I built everything from source.) Like a real UNIX user! :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Still, anybody know of the 'correct' way of installing UUCP on this? It seems quite clever, it configured sendmail to deal with mail-11 in and out, I figured if I use the 'official' packages to install UUCP, it'll do the same. But I'm an optimist. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 12 Jun 2013, at 20:19, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 06/12/2013 02:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I blame X for that. ;) I still have that happen...on modern intel crap. X never did that on far, far slower hardware. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/12/2013 02:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I blame X for that. ;) I still have that happen...on modern intel crap. X never did that on far, far slower hardware. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 5 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/12/2013 01:53 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I would like to play with Ultrix too. I tried to install it some time ago and didn't succeed (no docs, a probably corrupted media image...). Are there viable media available somewhere? Docs? I have tape images for Ultrix/VAX v4.0. I have a physical CD for it as well, but possibly a later release, as well as one for MIPS, but I've not yet imaged them. I don't recall their release numbers because I haven't seen them in probably fifteen years, but I know what box they're in. I will try to dig them up soon. Docs...It's BSD UNIX, man! Yet the package management is partially SysV. ;) Package management?! (Seriously, I ran Ultrix on my desktop for years, didn't even know it HAD package management...I built everything from source.) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-06-12 17:18, Clem Cole wrote: below On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote: The last release of Ultrix was something like 4.6 (I'll have the check my notes, but I'm traveling) - and on PMAX and VAX. V4.5 was the last. Ok, that sounds right, I remembered that their was something post the R4000 work (V4.4), but I'd forgotten how many. I think V4.5 only came about because of some Y2K issues. I don't think there was anything else meaningful in there as compared to V4.4. Over the course of time, Ultrix ran on: PDP-11 models with a MMU both with and without separated I/D space, most of not all of the Vaxen (except for the 9000 I believe), and MIPS 2K,3K,4K systems that Digital made. Actually, if I remember right, the 9000 is supported by Ultrix. However, the 7000/10000 systems are not. But I might also be remembering things wrong. I think you are remembering correctly on both accounts. I remember their was a push by the OS team to decommit Ultrix in favor of what would become Tru64 (aka OSF/1) started around that time. Sounds likely. I bet there was some interesting times at that point. Also, Ultrix-11 don't have a strong relationship with Ultrix that runs on VAXen or Mips machines. Johnny Hello! I remember discussing with a DEC sales 'droid regarding a supposed non Intel running variety of Windows that was coming really soon now. It was supposed to become Windows NT. The first release was on an Alpha. Not the blue skinned variety of machines, but the classic white box one as demo. That came about as I was studying a MIPS based workstation running Ultrix on it. And remember this was at UNIX World a really long time ago. And that demo surfaced some time later. The big complaint was that when too many windows were open the system started dragging its feet. I blame X for that. ;) I still have that happen...on modern intel crap. I was more interested in Ultrix on MIPS support then NT support on it. Understandable. I just like NT 4. Incidentally Cory and Dave the monsters are off this week. Something about a union meeting else where. Ahhh! ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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Couple of Unix/DECnet questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Tony Blews wrote: Hi all, I've got a couple of questions concerning Linux and Ultrix and DECnet. So, in rough order... 1) Is there an easy way to copy the node list into the /etc/decnet.conf filewithout a lot faffing about and making the file up manually? Yes...but I can't remember the name of the script. dncopy I believe? * * *2) How can I get DECnet back into the Raspbian kernel without recompiling the whole thing? I haven't recompiled a Linux kernel for about 16 years, so I pretty much have so idea what I'm doing. Even if you'd compiled one a month ago you wouldn't know what you're doing considering how often it changes. ;) You can build a single module from the kernel source...I can never remember how however. I want to say make M=net/decnet (change to real path) from the root of the kernel source tree though. No idea if there's even ARM support in the module. * *3) (Ok, three is not a couple, except in certain *special* circumstances) Has anyone managed to get DECnet working with Ultrix 4.0 and SimH? Where can I get some licenses from?* I have gotten it working. I used a thing to...generate licenses for it as I do not have any. 4) (Proving that I really can't count) Is HECnet broke at the moment? Tony. * * -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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