HECnet December 2013

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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-12-19 21:07, John Wilson wrote: From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. Me too! Port? To Unix? Not likely. Logical names just don't have a good equivalent. The Unix way is text files with configurations instead. But the form of that is already established, with the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf (and /etc/hosts) files. Hard to change, and those do unfortunately not easily allow user overrides at any level. (Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.) Details. Sounds like good engineering so far. Nice going! Yeah. The DNS part is not really difficult. It's just a question of setting up and sending out UDP packets, and then parsing the responses. Although I must admit that DNS have some bits that I'm not too happy about. Working on building the DNS query right now. That is actually really simple. Doing the parsing will probably take a few days of work. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. Me too! Port? (Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.) Details. Sounds like good engineering so far. Nice going! John Wilson D Bit

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Johnny's new resolver, was Re: [HECnet] Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by young＠ecn.purdue.edu

On Dec 19, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 12/18/2013 05:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. So it resolves names. Nothing spectacular about that. But instead of having a resolv.conf, like Unix, I instead use a RESOLV$ORDER logical name to tell what kind of resolving I want. This has a comma separated list, and understands LOGICAL, FILE and DNS. FILE uses the file "HOSTS" to lookup IP address and name mappings. LOGICAL uses logical names for the mapping. DNS uses the domain name system. (With logical names giving the address of the DNS server, as well as what domain name to use.) So far, so good. Now, the neater part is that any user can (of course) override any part of this by having their own logical names for the resolve order, the HOSTS filename, add their own name resolutions through logical names, as well as having a different DNS server, or default domain name. And it uses almost no memory in the user process. Instead the interface goes through the I/O system to the TCP driver, which in turn invokes a separate ACP for the name resolving, and that ACP adopts the UIC and logical name tables of the process who did the call. Furthermore, the resolver ACP is multithreaded, and it do caching, even between different users (when applicable) and different programs. Sorry, I just had to brag a little on how cool that is. :-) (Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.) Ok, now that really does sound cool! I need to get back into RSX. I haven't run it in a very long time. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Ditto, and ditto. Kudos, Johnny. Michael Young young at ecn.purdue.edu

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Johnny's new resolver, was Re: [HECnet] Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/18/2013 05:43 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. So it resolves names. Nothing spectacular about that. But instead of having a resolv.conf, like Unix, I instead use a RESOLV$ORDER logical name to tell what kind of resolving I want. This has a comma separated list, and understands LOGICAL, FILE and DNS. FILE uses the file "HOSTS" to lookup IP address and name mappings. LOGICAL uses logical names for the mapping. DNS uses the domain name system. (With logical names giving the address of the DNS server, as well as what domain name to use.) So far, so good. Now, the neater part is that any user can (of course) override any part of this by having their own logical names for the resolve order, the HOSTS filename, add their own name resolutions through logical names, as well as having a different DNS server, or default domain name. And it uses almost no memory in the user process. Instead the interface goes through the I/O system to the TCP driver, which in turn invokes a separate ACP for the name resolving, and that ACP adopts the UIC and logical name tables of the process who did the call. Furthermore, the resolver ACP is multithreaded, and it do caching, even between different users (when applicable) and different programs. Sorry, I just had to brag a little on how cool that is. :-) (Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.) Ok, now that really does sound cool! I need to get back into RSX. I haven't run it in a very long time. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-12-18 23:52, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:45, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-12-18 23:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My god. That was a quick Godwin! But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-) VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said. This thread wasn't Godwined as such - there was no comparison to the Third Reich or Holocaust brought up. I did say "sortof". Nazi's were mentioned. :-) You gotta admit that was one of the better OT threads for a while :) It did actually contain facts and not just ramblings... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-12-18 23:37, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My god. That was a quick Godwin! But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-) VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said. This thread wasn't Godwined as such - there was no comparison to the Third Reich or Holocaust brought up. I did say "sortof". Nazi's were mentioned. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-12-18 23:34, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte.. Just as an FYI. I don't drink coffee. I also don't drink alcohol. I do, however, consume large amounts of Coca Cola. I've been working like crazy for a while now, and had lots of cheeze fondue last night, which I still can feel... To get more on topic - I'm working on a name resolver for RSX right now. It's a totally awesome thing, and I only wish Unix (or even VMS) had something similar. So it resolves names. Nothing spectacular about that. But instead of having a resolv.conf, like Unix, I instead use a RESOLV$ORDER logical name to tell what kind of resolving I want. This has a comma separated list, and understands LOGICAL, FILE and DNS. FILE uses the file "HOSTS" to lookup IP address and name mappings. LOGICAL uses logical names for the mapping. DNS uses the domain name system. (With logical names giving the address of the DNS server, as well as what domain name to use.) So far, so good. Now, the neater part is that any user can (of course) override any part of this by having their own logical names for the resolve order, the HOSTS filename, add their own name resolutions through logical names, as well as having a different DNS server, or default domain name. And it uses almost no memory in the user process. Instead the interface goes through the I/O system to the TCP driver, which in turn invokes a separate ACP for the name resolving, and that ACP adopts the UIC and logical name tables of the process who did the call. Furthermore, the resolver ACP is multithreaded, and it do caching, even between different users (when applicable) and different programs. Sorry, I just had to brag a little on how cool that is. :-) (Now I just need to finish the DNS part of it.) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:34, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My god. That was a quick Godwin! But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-) VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said. This thread wasn't Godwined as such - there was no comparison to the Third Reich or Holocaust brought up. On another note, as the original asker of the question, I find the answers highly useful and informative. Thanks guys. Sampsa

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-12-18 23:20, Dave McGuire wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My god. That was a quick Godwin! But yeah, you are right. This is drifting very off-topic. Let's call it quits, especially since Godwin have been (sortof) invoked. :-) VMS don't speak arabic. 'Nuff said. Johnny On 12/18/2013 05:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote: [...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those guys with the pyramids... True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius - it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze Age or whatever. Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-) But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything before that is broken. :-) Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book.. Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a much nicer language than any other alternative. And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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Arabic / Unicode support on VMS?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 12/18/2013 05:34 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Where are the topic nazis today??! My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte.. That would explain it! -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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