On 19 Dec 2013, at 00:20, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Where are the topic nazis today??!
My bet is on someone slipping BQT some Xanax in his Latte..
On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-12-18 23:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm copying some files over from CHIMPY to RFSAXP and did a MONITOR DECNET in another window and got these rather strage results:
CUR AVE MIN MAX
Arriving Local Packet Rate 404.98 412.40 398.89 424.22
Departng Local Packet Rate 149.99 170.02 148.96 195.28
So I'm guessing FAL sends a BIG packet of data when transmitting a file, and the other side replies with multiple ACKs or something?
Is the local machine the one sending the file? It might be something with flow control, where the receiver acks, and then later sends an update that more data can be accepted maybe?
I don't know/recall enough of DECnet communications off the top of my head to properly commenet. :-)
I believe VMS uses segment flow control. So at least every couple of segments it will have to send a flow control message, which is separate from the data messages. And flow control messages (unlike the analogous thing in TCP) are acknowledged.
paul
Where are the topic nazis today??!
On 12/18/2013 05:13 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote:
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those
guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius
- it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have
to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze
Age or whatever.
Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-)
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything
before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician
is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter
all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a
much nicer language than any other alternative.
And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference
between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-)
Johnny
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-12-18 23:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm copying some files over from CHIMPY to RFSAXP and did a MONITOR DECNET in another window and got these rather strage results:
CUR AVE MIN MAX
Arriving Local Packet Rate 404.98 412.40 398.89 424.22
Departng Local Packet Rate 149.99 170.02 148.96 195.28
So I'm guessing FAL sends a BIG packet of data when transmitting a file, and the other side replies with multiple ACKs or something?
Is the local machine the one sending the file? It might be something with flow control, where the receiver acks, and then later sends an update that more data can be accepted maybe?
I don't know/recall enough of DECnet communications off the top of my head to properly commenet. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-12-18 22:15, Sampsa Laine wrote:
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius - it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze Age or whatever.
Yes. Also done by the Egypts... ;-)
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
Of course. And if you ask me, everyone should just speak Swedish. It's a much nicer language than any other alternative.
And vowels are extremely important. Kr ka or Kr ka is the difference between a crow and to barf. I think it's an important distinction. :-)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I'm copying some files over from CHIMPY to RFSAXP and did a MONITOR DECNET in another window and got these rather strage results:
CUR AVE MIN MAX
Arriving Local Packet Rate 404.98 412.40 398.89 424.22
Departng Local Packet Rate 149.99 170.02 148.96 195.28
So I'm guessing FAL sends a BIG packet of data when transmitting a file, and the other side replies with multiple ACKs or something?
Sampsa
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those guys with the pyramids...
True but turning hieratic into a simple alphabet was a move of genius - it enabled vastly more people to read and write as you didn't have to spend years memorising letters while trying to survive the Bronze Age or whatever.
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything before that is broken. :-)
Typical Indo-European bias :) In Semitic languages (which Phoenician is), short consonants don't really matter and long ones don't matter all that much, e.g. kitaab, ketaab, kataab all mean book..
On 2013-12-18 21:28, Sampsa Laine wrote:
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 18 Dec 2013, at 22:12, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
What's wrong with ordinary English characters, and all upper case? It
wasn't until the development of the computer, that teletypes suddenly
found themselves speaking upper and lower case.
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I think you'll find they're LATIN characters, derived from the Etruscans,
who got their script from the Greeks who in turn got it from Byblos, Lebanon,
AKA Jbeil. Great little town, pretty girls, good food and awesome little
corner bars in the medieval souq.
[...] who in turn got it from the Egypts... It all starts with those guys with the pyramids...
But the Greek were the first to get the vowels in. I'd say anything before that is broken. :-)
And VMS itself still expects ASCII, accepts Latin-1, and anything beyond that is outside VMS proper, and might work in specific programs and so on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_alphabet
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
...
Who needs vowels anyway? They're for children.
They sure seem to be plenty of vowels in Finnish!
Which is why writing it in consonant-only script guarantees ensuing hilarity!
All I know about Finnish is 15 cases and lots of umlauts . :-) But yes, I can see how that would produce lots of hilarity. And/or confusion.
paul
Hello!
So? Most computer systems aren't aware of the history of their text.
Take ASCII for example, most of us know what and why it was created.
Also the code page CP437. But do the machines care? I suspect not.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 18 Dec 2013, at 22:12, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
What's wrong with ordinary English characters, and all upper case? It
wasn't until the development of the computer, that teletypes suddenly
found themselves speaking upper and lower case.
-----
I think you'll find they're LATIN characters, derived from the Etruscans,
who got their script from the Greeks who in turn got it from Byblos, Lebanon,
AKA Jbeil. Great little town, pretty girls, good food and awesome little
corner bars in the medieval souq.
