Peter,
having used TOPS-10 for a short period, I know very little about TOPS-10 but
understand your problem (at least I think I do). So I'm trying to find a
solution.
Hans
The TOPS-10 system IIRC was in Ireland and was used by a European technology
sponsorship program. Contenders and participants had to use tha tsystem for
progress reports and project funding requests.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Peter Lothberg
Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 23:09
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
CC: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms
systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my
blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions
(well, I can't read them).
My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit
characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII.
So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my
HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter.
--Peter
Dennis,
if all else fails then that would be a very nice idea indeed, thanks!
But I'm an engineer. Engineers try to fix things that are broken.
They'd rather not pass the problem to somebody else <g>
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Dennis Boone
Verzonden: woensdag, juni 2012 21:27
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the
Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets
transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It says text/plain, but doesn't name the character set. Some mailers
switch to base64 if the character set isn't ASCII, even if all of the
characters that actually appear in the message would be legit ascii.
Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl.
Hans, if you want, I'll try to gin up a gateway that translates your
messages and posts them to the list. Shame to see you leave the list
over this kind of tomfoolery.
De
On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:27, Dennis Boone wrote:
Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl.
On a related note, I got a blackberry for about a month since all my "cool kid" buddies were bugging me to get on BBM. Threw it under a bus after a month, those things SUCK.
Sampsa
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the
Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets
transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It says text/plain, but doesn't name the character set. Some mailers
switch to base64 if the character set isn't ASCII, even if all of the
characters that actually appear in the message would be legit ascii.
Hans' blackberry may be set to latin1, given he's in .nl.
Hans, if you want, I'll try to gin up a gateway that translates your
messages and posts them to the list. Shame to see you leave the list
over this kind of tomfoolery.
De
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms
systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my
blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions
(well, I can't read them).
My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit
characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII.
So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my
HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter.
--Peter
Johnny, i read my mail on a blackberry. A very useful device but rather inflexible. Mail responses from my VMS systems or windows box works well and on a computer there are more possibilitities to put things right. The blackberry lacks that ability. I understand the list principles so I'll just go into silent mode.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:01:41
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
What? Why? I hope you are not taking it as a critizism of you or your
posts. It is a wish that we keep to a stupid simple format and encoding
of emails, so that they are readable no matter what odd mail reader you
might be using. I'm sure you can see the point in that too? There got to
be a way to get your mail program to behave...
Johnny
On 2012-06-20 19:52, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
In which case Johnny, kick me off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:45:00
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I
agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before
base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as
plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
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What? Why? I hope you are not taking it as a critizism of you or your posts. It is a wish that we keep to a stupid simple format and encoding of emails, so that they are readable no matter what odd mail reader you might be using. I'm sure you can see the point in that too? There got to be a way to get your mail program to behave...
Johnny
On 2012-06-20 19:52, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
In which case Johnny, kick me off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:45:00
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I
agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before
base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as
plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
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In which case Johnny, kick me off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:45:00
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
On 2012-06-20 19:36, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Peter is correct: it really is encoded as Base64. Why is not clear; the Mime header says that it's text/plain, but in spite of that it sets transfer-encoding to base64. Maybe just a defective mail client.
It is. However, I'm not there is a conflict as such.
Content-Transfer-Encoding tells how the message is encoded.
Content-Type tells what kind of content it is.
Having it text/plan along with base64 is no contradiction, even though I
agree that it is silly. I guess it was only a question of time before
base64 started to be used for everything... :-/
But I totally agree that we should try to keep this mailing list as
plain text mails.
Johnny
paul
On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl>
<hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair.
Apologies. I"ll drop off the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:13:09
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status?
Any chance you can send plain ascii to the HECnet mailing list, I'm
reading my mail on a Tops20 box, and it it's 7-bit characters......
-P
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