HECnet June 2012

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DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 22 June 2012 20:37 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats On Jun 22, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 22 June 2012 19:44 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob Yes, that should be the simplest one. For that I am assuming that the router would be connected directly to the Ethernet segment, not missing anything am I? Regards Rob Right, that's what I had in mind. An Ethernet segment with a PDP11 on it along with your creation. Extra credit would be support of point to point links... which I could actually use, since my current PDP11 speaks DDCMP but not yet Ethernet (no driver for its NIC yet). That's off the wall enough that I wouldn't expect you to do it, but I would probably take it on as an additional feature. paul DDCMP over some kind of serial line? Would need appropriate hardware and driver code to work against that. Regards Rob

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Jun 22, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 22 June 2012 19:44 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob Yes, that should be the simplest one. For that I am assuming that the router would be connected directly to the Ethernet segment, not missing anything am I? Regards Rob Right, that's what I had in mind. An Ethernet segment with a PDP11 on it along with your creation. Extra credit would be support of point to point links... which I could actually use, since my current PDP11 speaks DDCMP but not yet Ethernet (no driver for its NIC yet). That's off the wall enough that I wouldn't expect you to do it, but I would probably take it on as an additional feature. paul

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Paul_Koning at Dell.com Sent: 22 June 2012 19:44 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob Yes, that should be the simplest one. For that I am assuming that the router would be connected directly to the Ethernet segment, not missing anything am I? Regards Rob

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: 22 June 2012 19:34 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats On 06/22/2012 02:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Ciscos can encapsulate DECnet within either GRE or L2TP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA I hope GRE and L2TP aren't too complex. It *looks* like GRE can be transported over UDP. L2TP looks a bit more complex, but I have skimmed the Wikipedia page for all of 15 seconds so I may have missed something. Regards Rob

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Are you planning to have it speak unencapsulated, too? That would be nice for talking to real DECnet nodes. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/22/2012 02:31 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Ciscos can encapsulate DECnet within either GRE or L2TP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 2 months

DECnet User Mode Router - Encapsulation Formats

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I am making a little progress on a user mode DECnet router that will run on Raspberry Pi and on Windows. There is still a long way to go, but I want to get the basic design right in terms on the network interfacing. Can someone tell me how Cisco and Multinet encapsulate DECnet packets sent over the internet? Thanks Rob

13 years, 2 months

Psilo status?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

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13 years, 2 months

Psilo status?

by roll＠Stupi.SE

Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter Yes!

13 years, 2 months

Psilo status?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

I found an option in the blackberry that just switches off html. I wondered whether that might do the trick. Now what does the PDP-10 make of it.. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Paul_Koning at Dell.com Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 22 juni 2012 15:23 That looks good. My mail reader when asked to show "raw source" shows me Mime headers including the Content-type:text/plain header, but this time it's sent straight, there isn't a transfer-encoding listed. paul On Jun 22, 2012, at 1:03 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Peter is this readable? Hans ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Peter Lothberg Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Psilo status? Verzonden: 21 juni 2012 05:08 It is plain ascii, 8 bits and no problem for my own vms systems. Besides there's no option to modify on my blackberry. It also enforces topposting to my despair. Apologies. I"ll drop off the list. As Johnny points out, it's not critisim of you or your contributions (well, I can't read them). My point is that a lot of the HECNet hosts don't speak 8-bit characters. All the 36bit machines does 5*7bit=35bit to store ASCII. So it would be nice if I could follow the HECnet mailinglist on my HECnet machine, that;a all, thanks, Peter. --Peter

13 years, 2 months

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