HECnet November 2012

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/27/2012 09:28 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. I know there was a Datakit adapter for the 3B2 and 3B20, did the 3B1 have such a thing? Not that I'm aware of. There's no connection at all between the 3B1 and the 3B2/5/15/20/etc family. The 3B1 is a 68K machine (68010). -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by sampsa＠mac.com

Nope - none of the 68k emus come with an MMU, and A/UX requires MMU support. That's what makes it so nifty, you HAVE to run it on (a very specific subset) of 68k Mac hardware. Sampsa On 27 Nov 2012, at 16:42, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: A/UX... I have never seen that one. Do you know if that could run under Basilisk-II (http://basilisk.cebix.net)? El 27/11/2012, a les 15:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: I've got a couple of 68K Macs capable of running A/UX in my UK flat but they're both having HD problems, i.e. the one that came with them is borked and the formatting utility that comes on the A/UX install floppy won't recognize any new ones - actually, come to think of it, it might just be the SE/30 that's totally broken, need to try my 2 GB external drive with the Quadra. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

A/UX... I have never seen that one. Do you know if that could run under Basilisk-II (http://basilisk.cebix.net)? El 27/11/2012, a les 15:33, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: I've got a couple of 68K Macs capable of running A/UX in my UK flat but they're both having HD problems, i.e. the one that came with them is borked and the formatting utility that comes on the A/UX install floppy won't recognize any new ones - actually, come to think of it, it might just be the SE/30 that's totally broken, need to try my 2 GB external drive with the Quadra. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Re: 3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by sampsa＠mac.com

I've got a couple of 68K Macs capable of running A/UX in my UK flat but they're both having HD problems, i.e. the one that came with them is borked and the formatting utility that comes on the A/UX install floppy won't recognize any new ones - actually, come to think of it, it might just be the SE/30 that's totally broken, need to try my 2 GB external drive with the Quadra. I think A/UX even does TCP/IP and is pretty nifty to use apparently, like Unix with System 7 bolted on (thinking of trying to get a VNC server running on them too for remote access). Sampsa On 27 Nov 2012, at 16:28, Brian Hechinger wrote: On 11/27/2012 12:05 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. -Dave I know there was a Datakit adapter for the 3B2 and 3B20, did the 3B1 have such a thing? -brian

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 11/27/2012 12:05 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. -Dave I know there was a Datakit adapter for the 3B2 and 3B20, did the 3B1 have such a thing? -brian

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Re: 3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by HECNET＠beyondthepale.ie

If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. Well there's always Kermit and UUCP - and one could always plug a few serial ports into a DECserver or something to get "networking" into the device :) To bring this on-topic for the list, could it run DECnet? Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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Re: 3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 27 Nov 2012, at 07:15, Gregg Levine wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. Well there's always Kermit and UUCP - and one could always plug a few serial ports into a DECserver or something to get "networking" into the device :) Sampsa

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Yikes! I knew an AT&T 7300 machine once. It was an interesting machine. I almost ended up with it when the store I was (temporarily) associated with here in Queens was forced out of business by its <DELETED!> of a landlord. I also saw a 3B family machine at that same show where we met. The owners couldn't get the thing to work, but the terminal ran rather well. Now why is there an entire van of Yetis and four Cybermen and six Daleks watching you? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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US Seller with some interesting stuff

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Benson Sent: 26 November 2012 18:55 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; dectec at dectec.info Subject: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff I CANNOT VOUCH FOR THIS PERSON'S CREDENTIALS, I found this via an e- mail search I have running on eBay I don't know the guy, but he has a decent amount of positive feedback and the items are largely listed well. He's apparently in California, so consider that before bidding. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Veva-and-Daves-Stuff?_rdc=1 There's a good deal of DEC stuff in there, including a VAXStation 4000/60 and some install CD-ROMS (one of which is listed wrong and I have left him know) Just thought I'd throw out a heads-up. I have bought from this seller on one occasion and on the basis of that purchase I would recommend the seller as reliable. Regards Rob

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