HECnet October 2012

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rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though. Yep, me too. So...get to it! ;) Got it reinstalled it still doesn't work the way you said to do it, but doing it through @[0,1]instal works so i'll just use that route any time I need to build a monitor How might I go about adding "users" in RSTS/E? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:20 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though. Yep, me too. So...get to it! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. Ah, that could explain it. Still seems a bit weird to me though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. I think it's done with "turnkey" systems in mind. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) That is really. really weird. I can't see the reasoning behind not installing the utils if you use a prebuilt monitor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:03 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. Yep, that was it. Wow. Re-run your installl and select 'A', to build a monitor at installation time. Then you should see more stuff when you do "dir sysgen$:". (and more importantly "run sysgen$:sysgen" ;)) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 07:00 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? I have never in my life installed a pre-built monitor. I suspect what's going on here is that, when installing the pre-built monitor, the sysgen components (contents of sysgen$:) might not get installed. I will verify this here and get back to you shortly. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/28/2012 06:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? Prebuilt, does choosing prebuilt not define certain logicals/install certain tools? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 06:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: This is very weird. Accepting defaults for everything, and installing everything, I can run a sysgen on a clean, just-installed system. What could possibly be different here? You also have more RSTS/E experience than I do, so I may be missing something really obvious. Yes, I started with RSTS/E ~25 years ago...but this is an extremely simple setup, right off the install tape. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't have the stuff installed in sysgen$: Oh wait...when you ran the install, did you select the prebuilt monitor, or to build a monitor at that time? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/28/2012 06:41 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I'll make one up for you. But first, let's try to figure out what's going wrong. I'm installing everything that it asks to install and it copies everything to disk, so I must be forgetting a step outside of the installer. Ok, I've just done a (another) clean install from that tape image. After the install was done, I logged in as [1,2] and ran a sysgen. Everything worked fine. Why don't you tell me exactly what you're doing, in detail. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years

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