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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:36
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
<system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting
anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try
something else:
older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1).
What would be
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get
install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know
if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am
not sure.
At least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to
3.0. Let
me know if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for
featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
V7.3 should run on it.
Really? I seem to recall reading several places that 6.2/6.3
were the last to run on an -11/780.
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What will run and what is supported can be two entirely different
things!
-Steve
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[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 18:10
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Older VAXVMS Install kits?
On 12/23/2012 06:06 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
The VAX-11/750 was (is) a DOG!
It's a dog that I love, and that particular one did an
awful lot of real work at my former employer's facility.
Running 4.7, it'd support a dozen scientists logged in all
day long running simulations in FORTRAN.
That was one of the most dependable computers I've ever
been exposed to. I took good care of it, but it took good
care of me too.
4.7 probably ran ok on that system.
It did.
5.x not so much.
Yup.
My office machine was a MicroVAX-II/GPX (dual head) with
16 megs of memory. I still have that machine - I was able
to take it
home when I left DEC. The 3600's ran just fine.
Both the UVAX-II and 3600 class machines ran fine standalone or, as
part of a cluster.
Very nice!
I've run many a MicroVAX over a lotta years, and until this
moment I considered myself to know just about everything
about them...but...Dual-head?! How? Both a VCB01 and a
VCB02 maybe? Or can you move a VCB02 to a different CSR and
tell DECwindows to find it? Do tell!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dual VCB02's with HUGH (and HEAVY monitors) and DECwindows-Motif. The
magic is in the configuration of DECwindows and the HW of course.
The system is running NetBSD 1.5 (headless) at the moment. I use it to
copy the virtual PDP-11/23+ (PLUTO::) to the physical drive for the
physical PDP-11/23+. Both environments use RD54's for their system
disks. You would be hard-pressed to know which environment is running -
they are almost identical in configuration and performance. It took
quite a while to find a HW and SW configuration to mimic the 11/23+, but
I think it was worth it.
-Steve
-Steve
On 23 Dec 2012, at 18:33, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting
anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try something else:
older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). What would be
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get
install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
V7.3 should run on it.
Really? I seem to recall reading several places that 6.2/6.3 were the last to run on an -11/780.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: > As i'm not getting
anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd > try something else:
older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;) > > 1). What would be
the best/most interesting version to try? 2). Where > would I get
install media for these older versions? ;)
I have a bunch of older VMS distributions. I don't know if they're
available anywhere else or not; I would assume so but am not sure. At
least several 3.x and 4.x distributions, going back to 3.0. Let me know
if they're wanted and I can put them up somewhere.
I'd say 4.7 for speed and period-correctness, 5.5 for featurefulness.
The last release of VMS to run on an 11/780 was, I believe, v6.2.
V7.3 should run on it.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
On 12/23/2012 05:44 PM, Steve Davidson wrote: > While the 4.7 system is
good, personally, I would go with a version 5 > system. V5.5 or
V5.5-4 would be my choice. It has so many more > capabilities and
toys/tools!
But oohhhhh soooo painfully slow compared to v4.7. You wouldn't
believe the complaints I endured from my users on Monday after spending
all weekend doing an upgrade to 5.0. They loved me before that!
??? Slower? V50 introduced the modular exec.
Personally, I'd get up V6.1. Many improvements on the many look-aside
list algorithms.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Hey everyone!
As i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd =
try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator. ;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
V1.0
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 12/23/2012 01:37 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote:
Yup, I'll probably create an account for you with sudo tomorrow, and then you can have a look at it.
The NAME->IP resolution works fine, if you could just turn that into IP->NAME I'd be very grateful.
Sounds good; let me know.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 23 Dec 2012, at 17:32, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
Al 23/12/12 23:21, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit:
i'm not getting anywhere with my TOPS-10 endeavours, I thought i'd try something else: older VAXVMS in SIMH's VAX-11/780 simulator.;)
1). What would be the best/most interesting version to try?
2). Where would I get install media for these older versions
You could try to build a VMS 4.7 system. To do that you will have to build a 4.6 and then upgrade it (IIRC 4.6 has also a mandatory update to apply). Previous to do that you will need to make a stand alone backup bootable kit. I made a bootable tape image using a running openVMS 7.3 system so I was able to boot STANDALONE BACKUP in the 780. Alfter that you can restore then 4.6 tape and boot it to install the rest of 4.6 and later upgrade to 4.7.
Can you explain this process a bit more? I'm not too good with VMS backup stuff or writing VMS bootblobs to things. ;)
You will find 4.7 in the 780 simulator boots really fast ;)
The kits and some layered products are available at ftp.trailing-edge.com.
Good luck!
sampsa at mac.com writes:
I did.
Several times.
With different googled guides and example formats.
What does a 'dig @bind.server.IP.address some.internal.hostname' show?
What does a 'dig -x @bind.server.IP.address some.internal.IP.address' show?
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