El 02/01/2013, a les 11:04, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
Does anyone have an RSTS/E system (or TOPS-20), and could report how the file appears to be, from their point of view?
I don't know how to use RMSDSP against a full DECNET filespec, but a NFT DIR/FU shows this (in RSTS/E):
Directory 2.1::SYS$SPECIFIC:[FAL$SERVER]
Name .Typ Size Prot Access Date Time UIC
INFO .TXT;2 8/10P < 42> 31-Dec-12 31-Dec-12 07:20 [000376,000373]
RF:VAR FO:SEQ USED=8:150 RECSI=174 CC:IMP
INFO .TXT;1 8/35P < 42> 27-Dec-12 08-Jul-10 10:54 [000376,000373]
RF:UDF FO:SEQ USED=8:64 RECSI=174 CC:IMP
Total of 16/45 blocks in 2 files.
The ;1 version lists as RD:UDF. I guess that is "record format: undefined".
My TOPS20 toy has somehow lost its network connectivity. I'll try to find how to do it in TOPS-20 after fixing that.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On 2013-01-02 00:37, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-31 19:36, Bob Armstrong wrote:
There s something else going on here. I m not sure who originally
analyzed the file to decide that the format was Stream-CR (although
given that the analysis was done on RSX, we can probably guess :-)
Cool. This is become more weird all the time.
WHat I reported was what was shown when doing a directory over DECnet. It's the information VMS presents. RSX is not really involved.
With DECnet, it is. DAP sends the information about the files in the directory listing in encoded form, and it's up to the receiving system to decode it correctly and format it for display. So if you're seeing the wrong attribute, either VMS is sending the wrong DAP code, or RSX is decoding it wrong. A wire trace along with some reading of the DAP protocol spec will tell you which it is.
Thanks, Paul. I have not read the spec. But I came to realize this after looking at this for a while, and being wrong a couple of times.
I think it's fair to use VMS as a reference implementation, since VmS agrees with itself. So I'm going to look at fixing RSX.
Does anyone have an RSTS/E system (or TOPS-20), and could report how the file appears to be, from their point of view?
LEGATO::INFO.TXT;1 is what I'm thinking of.
Johnny
On Jan 1, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-31 19:36, Bob Armstrong wrote:
There s something else going on here. I m not sure who originally
analyzed the file to decide that the format was Stream-CR (although
given that the analysis was done on RSX, we can probably guess :-)
Cool. This is become more weird all the time.
WHat I reported was what was shown when doing a directory over DECnet. It's the information VMS presents. RSX is not really involved.
With DECnet, it is. DAP sends the information about the files in the directory listing in encoded form, and it's up to the receiving system to decode it correctly and format it for display. So if you're seeing the wrong attribute, either VMS is sending the wrong DAP code, or RSX is decoding it wrong. A wire trace along with some reading of the DAP protocol spec will tell you which it is.
paul
On 2013-01-01 05:41, Dave McGuire wrote:
Happy new year, my DECfetish friends! 20mins left of 2012, here. I
am very drunk at the moment, but I don't mind admitting that you all
have enriched my life considerably. :)
A happy new year to all of you, and thanks to all for contributing to make HECnet a rather lively place these days.
(And a special thanks to Bob for making me realize there is another bug in RSX... Keep 'em coming... :-) )
Johnny
On 2013-01-01 21:38, Pontus wrote:
On 12/29/2012 10:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-29 21:20, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I know someone that was trying to make an IRC bot in x86 ASM...
I'll probably do one in PDP-11 assembler, just to spite you. :-)
Oh please do :) It will be a nice mantelpiece for #update, next to
bjarnis x86 IRC-bot (well, if he ever bothers to start it up again, it
worked kind of well though)
Hmm. I bet I could write one in BASIC+2 in about 20 lines... Next week... :-)
Johnny
On 01/01/2013 03:54 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
All the best in health and happiness to you all. I promise to get a
date for DEC Legacy 2013 sorted shortly!
Oh! Umm, what part of the world will this be in?
The English Lake District. Very beautiful place.
Ah, likely too far for me. I expect lots of pics though!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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On 01/01/2013 09:41 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 31 Dec 2012, at 23:41, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
Happy new year, my DECfetish friends! 20mins left of 2012, here.
I am very drunk at the moment, but I don't mind admitting that you
all have enriched my life considerably. :)
Aw, bless, the hangover almost makes me tearful ;)
;)
For me, hacking on PDP-8s, PDP-11s and VAXen can improve even the very
worst day. And in this gang, that hacking is taken to its logical
extreme. :-)
All the best in health and happiness to you all. I promise to get a
date for DEC Legacy 2013 sorted shortly!
Oh! Umm, what part of the world will this be in?
The English Lake District. Very beautiful place.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 1 Jan 2013, at 15:37, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/01/2013 09:41 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 31 Dec 2012, at 23:41, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Happy new year, my DECfetish friends! 20mins left of 2012, here. I
am very drunk at the moment, but I don't mind admitting that you all
have enriched my life considerably. :)
Aw, bless, the hangover almost makes me tearful ;)
;)
For me, hacking on PDP-8s, PDP-11s and VAXen can improve even the very
worst day. And in this gang, that hacking is taken to its logical
extreme. :-)
I take things beyond their /logical/ extreme. ;)
All the best in health and happiness to you all. I promise to get a date
for DEC Legacy 2013 sorted shortly!
Oh! Umm, what part of the world will this be in?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 12/29/2012 10:45 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-12-29 21:20, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I know someone that was trying to make an IRC bot in x86 ASM...
I'll probably do one in PDP-11 assembler, just to spite you. :-)
Oh please do :) It will be a nice mantelpiece for #update, next to bjarnis x86 IRC-bot (well, if he ever bothers to start it up again, it worked kind of well though)
/P
